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Not to mention being dishonorably discharged. What kind of officer would bring charges against his men under these circumstances? He is probably watching his a&& in this politically correct world we live in. Just like the officers supervising the shooter at Ft Hood.

You can't be dishonorably discharged through an Article 15, but you can with a court-martial. To clear it up a little bit more, Summary Article 15's are not common, Well I've never heard of someone getting one. A Company Grade is what it is...it stays within the company pretty much. It doesn't follow you throughout your career...Now a Field Grade, that does. You can get it expunged pretty easily with good behavior, ect...at least thats how a few soldiers I know have gotten rid of them.

Remember people, this is a war. I know we have taken an oath and that we have to uphold a standard but that oath also says that we will support and defend the constitution against ALL enimies. I'm about 99% sure that the detainee was resisting, whether it be him kicking and screaming, spitting on them, or any kind of resisting you can think of. ****, a punch in the face is perfectly legal if he is resisting or compromising security. In the Arab world, spitting on a person is one of the worst ways you can "diss" a person. Probably second to throwing your shoes at them....Just like the Arab reporter threw his shoes at Bush. A punch in the stomach is perfectly OK, our cops do it everyday with their stick things all around the country. **** I've butt stocked a few in the stomach. I mean we don't just start pounding their face as soon as they resist...we go through escalation of force. We'll go from simply having their hands behind their heads and fingers in a position to if they try to move we can squeeze a few fingers and they'll stop. Some just keep going and going and it escalates(sp?) into having to hit them with first or a the stock of you're weapon. Can you guys kind of understand what I'm trying to say? Even if DW was a non-combat MOS and didn't see much action (I have know idea what he seen or what his job was, this is just an example), I know that he went through training on how to treat detainee's and escalation of force.

I really can't believe that we have people trying to get these SEAL's put in prison for a **** punch in the gut.