[thecavemaster]

Well, to be perfectly honest.. I don't believe fruit was ever on a tree in a garden as told by man, searching for an answer to life's questions.

I do believe that when I look into the eyes of a child, I know that there is nothing that exists more pure and innocent. You may or may not have kids, but from your reaction, I would highly doubt it. However, you may 200, which would be worse..because you have failed to come to the simplest of conclusions. Children are the most precious things on the face of this earth. And they deserve every chance that you or I have had...

Abortion and the death penalty are cancers that will continue to destroy this nation. Keep in mind, (to the best of my knowledge) we rank 4th in state sponsored legal deaths. Only China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia put more people to death. Add abortion to that, and we're surely number 2 in the entire world. And lets look at the great group of guys that puts us with overall with the death penalty, "Afghanistan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Botswana, China, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Japan, Libya, North Korea, Malaysia, Mongolia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, St. Kitts and Nevis, Sudan, Syria, United Arab Emirates, United States, Vietnam and Yemen ". Looks more like a list of state sponsors of terrorism...

Interesting.

Cruel and unusual? Cruel absolutely. But unusual? Absolutely not. We do it far too often, and we have currently over 3000 people on death row...

For those opposed, as I am.. we have some glimmers of hope. States are slowly trending away from its use, and each year we make gains in non-DP states, or those actively working to abolish it. Its going to be a be a long hard fight guys... but as Randy Pausch said, "Walls aren't there to stop us... they're there only to see how bad we want something." I want this bad.

Now, just so I understand: the expressed idea that "innocence" (used as a moral term) might need the capacity for guilt to be meaningful and that the abortion debate might be better argued along different grounds... that means I've never learned to value children? Quite a chasm to jump across, seems to me.