[Coach_Owens87]

http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-2/

The graph of the Vostok ice core data shows that the Ice Age maximums and the warm interglacials occur within a regular cyclic pattern, the graph-line of which is similar to the rhythm of a heartbeat on an electrocardiogram tracing. The Vostok data graph also shows that changes in global CO2 levels lag behind global temperature changes by about eight hundred years. What that indicates is that global temperatures precede or cause global CO2 changes, and not the reverse. In other words, increasing atmospheric CO2 is not causing global temperature to rise; instead the natural cyclic increase in global temperature is causing global CO2 to rise


Thats from a communist paper, so you liberals should gobble that up.


Also here are some quotes from some of the lead people who coach tries to use to backup his man-made GW theories.

"The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
- Club of Rome,
premier environmental think-tank
consultants to the United Nations

"We need to get some broad based support,
to capture the public's imagination...
So we have to offer up scary scenarios,
make simplified, dramatic statements
and make little mention of any doubts...
Each of us has to decide what the right balance
is between being effective and being honest."
- Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology,
lead author of many IPCC reports



"Unless we announce disasters no one will listen."
- Sir John Houghton,
first chairman of IPCC

"We've got to ride this global warming issue.
Even if the theory of global warming is wrong,
we will be doing the right thing in terms of
economic and environmental policy."
- Timothy Wirth,
President of the UN Foundation



"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony...
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart,
fmr Canadian Minister of the Environment

Dude those are what they say not my assumptions or beliefs. So please don't try and make this a political party issue, this is a sheep versus critical thinker issue.

So you take four quotes, that say people exaggerate the effects of global warming, which I admitted to, and say in diminishes my data, lol. You used a report from a Republican in which over half of the people on the list had compromising interest, a lot of them taking money from the fossil fuel industry. that kind of makes your point a little hypocritical.

I looked at the Vostok graph, and on Average tempature change lagged behind CO2 levels, but at the end of the graph you could see a large increase in tempature, which corresponds to the Industrial revolution, again this doesnt really kill the AGW theory.

Some anaylsis from other websites:

http://www.noe21.org/dvd2/Global%20Warmi...rature.htm

There is, overall, a good match between temperature and CO2 and temperature. One important piece of information that can be determined from ice core data is whether changes in temperature follow or proceed changes in CO2. Before doing this, it is important to keep in mind sources of error that can complicate the analysis:

1. The resolution of the data are quite low, with each data point representing an average of some 1000 years. As Monnin et al (2001) point out: "CO2 records from Vostok and Taylor Dome are thought to be the most accurate. However, the time resolution of these two records is too low to provide a history of CO2 changes that shows the detailed evolution of atmospheric CO2 over the last glacial termination."
2. The data are not error free. Not only are there potential experimental errors, but there are difficulties in matching gas age (i.e. CO2) and ice age (i.e. temperature). Then too there are potential errors in the models that create the signal from the raw data, which may not be perfect. In fact, in the figure shown above, there is an error in the way that the temperature data were calibrated. This has since been corrected. Although this figure does not show the corrected data, the effect can be seen in Cuffey & Vimeux, 2003. The result is a closer match between CO2 and temperature, especially at the period of the beginning of the last ice age.

3. The CO2 and temperature signals are not directly comparable. This is because the temperature signal is local, whereas the CO2 signal is global. As Fischer et al, 1999 point out: "Note that the CO2 concentrations represent essentially a global signal. In contrast, the geographical representativeness of isotope temperature records may vary from a synoptical to hemispherical scale and accordingly within different cores with increasing variability for shorter time scales."

4.There are other factors that affect temperature besides CO2, such as methane, aerosols and glaciation.