[BaseballMan]

"god made the brain, god made the tree; therefore, to reason requires the brain, requires the tree." The atheist rejects the first premise and reasons from the premise that god does not exist. You reason from the premise that god does exist. If either you or the atheist has a mistaken first premise, then both are in the "no basis" realm. All you say of them, they could turn around and say of you. This is all I am saying, and I don't see how you can disagree with that.

And you are proving my point. They can say that, but by the laws of logic they cannot have any basis.
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"Reasoning involves using the laws of logic. These include the law of non-contradiction which says that you can’t have A and not-A at the same time and in the same relationship. For example, the statement “My car is in the parking lot, and it is not the case that my car is in the parking lot” is necessarily false by the law of non-contradiction. Any rational person would accept this law. But why is this law true? Why should there be a law of non-contradiction, or for that matter, any laws of reasoning? The Christian can answer this question. For the Christian there is an absolute standard for reasoning; we are to pattern our thoughts after God’s. The laws of logic are a reflection of the way God thinks. The law of non-contradiction is not simply one person’s opinion of how we ought to think, rather it stems from God’s self-consistent nature. God cannot deny Himself ( 2 Timothy 2:13), and so, the way God upholds the universe will necessarily be non-contradictory."

"The materialistic atheist can’t have laws of logic. He believes that everything that exists is material—part of the physical world. But laws of logic are not physical. You can’t stub your toe on a law of logic. Laws of logic cannot exist in the atheist’s world, yet he uses them to try to reason. This is inconsistent. He is borrowing from the Christian worldview to argue against the Christian worldview. The atheist’s view cannot be rational because he uses things (laws of logic) that cannot exist according to his profession."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...irrational