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12-07-2007, 10:49 PM
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thecavemaster Wrote:Was it your estimation that the point was whether or not Davidians were/are homeschooled? Do you really think that in KY, AL, MS, GA that Buddhism and Islam (as examples) are catered to? I have been to a lot of ball games, assemblies, chorus concerts etc. etc. and have never seen Christianity "under attack." Again, build a straw man then destroy it... stick in a thumb, pull out a plum and say "what a good boy am I"....
How many times in the recent years have we saw kids barred from mentioning Jesus Christ or invoking his name at the end of prayer during graduation? Schools ban Christmas parties, then 'celebrate' Islamic holidays as 'cultural learning'.
I just ask you simply. The premise of this entire piece isn't just prayer in the school. The question I'm asking, and everyone seems to be dodging... WHY is it ok for Congress to open with prayer? The supreme court to do the same? Use OUR tax money to pay for preachers in the military and in the halls of Congress? Why is that ok?? Why is it allowed? And what is their manic obession with making sure our kids don't have the very same right??
Anyone care to guess what the first official act of Congress was? Prayer.
Anyone remember FDR's prayer that was broadcast world wide?
Anyone remember reading about G. Washington's public prayers during his speeches?
Its troubling to me that the very people who say that organized, official sponsored prayer... opened that VERY session with organized, official sponsored prayer... and have always, before and after the decision was made.
The decision ONLY affected children... And knowing the bible as you do, Jesus tells us to not keep the kids from him. And to be as children in purity.
I don't want a teacher to lead my child in prayer or mandate that my child pray. Its just that I have a problem when stupid decisions are made by justices, such as not allowing prayer by a student during school sponsored activities. Its insane. Where in the 1st amendment do we find such reasoning.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble"
How can it be declared unconstitutional for someone to pray at a graduation?
What law did congress make respecting an establishment of religion?
This amendment applies to CONGRESS interfering with our life and our freedom of religion. This amendment wasn't meant to keep us FROM religion. The founders didn't want a church of England dictating our Congressional and Executive actions.... thus they put in the 1st amendment to fix that.
The funny thing is cavemaster, you asked if Islam would be catered to. You can bet the farm on it. If an islamic student was required to pray 5 times a day, 2-3 of which during the school day.. he would ABSOLUTELY be given the opportunity, and probably given a taxpayer funded prayer rug and special room with directional arrows pointing to Mecca.
There's no cause whatsoever for what has happened. Its a tragedy and a national disaster. The ruling was in 1962, and since then the morals of our kids and this nation have been flushed down the toilet.. along with the very God this nation was founded upon, under, and with.
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Church and State? - by ronald_reagan - 12-05-2007, 11:09 AM
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Church and State? - by ronald_reagan - 12-05-2007, 11:33 AM
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Church and State? - by Crossbones - 12-05-2007, 11:36 AM
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Church and State? - by ronald_reagan - 12-05-2007, 11:48 AM
Church and State? - by vundy33 - 12-05-2007, 12:05 PM
Church and State? - by ronald_reagan - 12-05-2007, 12:20 PM
Church and State? - by vundy33 - 12-05-2007, 12:30 PM
Church and State? - by ronald_reagan - 12-05-2007, 12:32 PM
Church and State? - by thecavemaster - 12-05-2007, 02:37 PM
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Church and State? - by ronald_reagan - 12-06-2007, 02:25 AM
Church and State? - by thecavemaster - 12-06-2007, 09:58 AM
Church and State? - by ronald_reagan - 12-06-2007, 11:48 AM
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Church and State? - by thecavemaster - 12-06-2007, 12:19 PM
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Church and State? - by thecavemaster - 12-07-2007, 04:02 PM
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Church and State? - by thecavemaster - 12-10-2007, 08:46 AM
Church and State? - by ronald_reagan - 12-11-2007, 01:56 AM
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Church and State? - by thecavemaster - 12-11-2007, 08:59 AM
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