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It wasn't Reagan who 'put it' that way. It was John Winthrop, who by the way, mentions the almighty God and the role of this country UNDER him. Reagan was only quoting him. don't quote reagan, unless you agree with him. And its already assured that you don't.



Let me make this as crystal clear as earthy possible, and so that you can understand it. I'll waterboard, and I'll be waterboarded. If the 'terrorists' only waterboard us back.. then have at it. The guys that 'waterboard' the terrorists, have ALL been waterboarded themselves.

What do you not get?? You want to say that I'm lowering myself to their level?? They kill us by torture.. we obtain intelligence which saves others lives by pouring water on their face, NOT killing them?? Thats the same??? Thats torture?? I've been held UNDER water by friends and family... them terrorists!!! Those beasts!!!

The city upon a hill is NOT a good thing these days. Its light draws illegals in like moths, and provides visibility for terrorists to attack us.

You keep up the same talking points, trying to say that i'm wrong. Ok. I am. I want them dead. I want MORE than waterboarding. but since this thread is ABOUT waterboarding, I'll just stop there and say simply.. I agree with it strongly at this point. It has saved many lives, and hasn't cost a single one.

Done with you now. :moon:

It has been said time and time again that information extracted under duress and torture is by and large not reliable. The detainee will say what his captors want to hear whether it be true or not. :howdy: