[thecavemaster]

what are you trying to say? you have to have a son or daughter in iraq to make an accurate assessment? that the military doesn't have an intelligence arm? that those who work for the cia have never died in combat? What??

I dont' get it. Nor was I trying to debunk anything.

But I will debunk one thing. Your lie about only 1 member of Congress having a son or daughter in Iraq. I don't know at this exact moment who is there, but i know who HAS served there.

Todd Akin's son.
Jim Webb
Joe Biden
Max Baucus
Joe Wilson
John Mccain (maybe?)

The US Senate library reports that 10 sons and daughters of Congressmen and women have fought in Iraq. Which is one in every 53 families, which I guess is about average with the nation as well.

I'm guessing that 50-100 are in the military. So please, don't belittle their service.

Those in the shadow, are you and i, my friend. Not those who serve our nation and try to defend it.

I am saying that the information provided that claimed Iraq was an immediate and present threat to the USA was, at best, quite a stretch of the intelligence information. The raw sore of 9/11 anger, the fear of being perceived as "weak on terror," the less than accurate intelligence information, these kinds of things led people to support a war which they now oppose. Those in the shadows are gun runners, weapons traders, defense contractors... policy makers who sit on boards of directors as silent partners, those who know war is big profit business. I belittle no one's service. Nor do I check in reason at the door because of it. And, you are right; you are guessing.