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11-18-2007, 04:20 AM
Old school, I keep telling myself that I wont get into these pointless debates, but I always do.
I only mentioned the EPA study becuase it is really the only written study of the effects of MTR that has been completed. I do not believe the majority of it, just like I mentioned in my post, because the data they used is really questionable, but it's the only real source on the subject.
You state that the spill in Inez was not to be blamed on a poorly constructed pond, but I would say the building an impoundment meant to hold millions of gallons of water over an old abandoned mine would be poorly planned, but I guess thats just me.
You state that a propoerly constructed draniage system on a mine site would control flooding, and I will agree that a perfectly constructed drainage system would do that, but nothing is perfect. It;s not just the drainage that controls flooding, it the root system of the dense forest that absorbs a large amount of the rain that really controls flooding. MTR sites completly destroy that.
You keep trying to throw mud on highway construction, and you do so by throwing the silly figure of 26,000 acres being destroyed by roads. I dont really think that can be fairly compared to the estimated 1.4 million acres that will be destroyed by MTR by the year 2010. There isnt any substantial data that I could find on highway construction and stream disturbance in East ky, so I really dont think there is much to debate. But I do feel comfortable saying that comparing the thousands of large valley fills which completly destroy headwater streams with the smaller damage caused by road construction is insane. Stop trying to change the subject, and just admit to the damage that valley fills cause.
You also constantly feed me with the rules and regulations from the coal industry, which are mostly BS. No matter what guidlines you follow, or what stringent rules you must obey, there is no changing the destruction caused by MTR. And I believe like many others, that if this proposed "Rule Clarification" takes place, it will lead to only more destruction. I think people need to open thier eyes and see that this area is quickly being devastated. I cant drive more than 2 miles without seeing a former or active MTR site. I really wish I could travel this area and marvel in the beuaty that is appalachia, but that wish was taken away long ago. Now im just left with the hope that I can protect what little piece of this paradise that is left.
I only mentioned the EPA study becuase it is really the only written study of the effects of MTR that has been completed. I do not believe the majority of it, just like I mentioned in my post, because the data they used is really questionable, but it's the only real source on the subject.
You state that the spill in Inez was not to be blamed on a poorly constructed pond, but I would say the building an impoundment meant to hold millions of gallons of water over an old abandoned mine would be poorly planned, but I guess thats just me.
You state that a propoerly constructed draniage system on a mine site would control flooding, and I will agree that a perfectly constructed drainage system would do that, but nothing is perfect. It;s not just the drainage that controls flooding, it the root system of the dense forest that absorbs a large amount of the rain that really controls flooding. MTR sites completly destroy that.
You keep trying to throw mud on highway construction, and you do so by throwing the silly figure of 26,000 acres being destroyed by roads. I dont really think that can be fairly compared to the estimated 1.4 million acres that will be destroyed by MTR by the year 2010. There isnt any substantial data that I could find on highway construction and stream disturbance in East ky, so I really dont think there is much to debate. But I do feel comfortable saying that comparing the thousands of large valley fills which completly destroy headwater streams with the smaller damage caused by road construction is insane. Stop trying to change the subject, and just admit to the damage that valley fills cause.
You also constantly feed me with the rules and regulations from the coal industry, which are mostly BS. No matter what guidlines you follow, or what stringent rules you must obey, there is no changing the destruction caused by MTR. And I believe like many others, that if this proposed "Rule Clarification" takes place, it will lead to only more destruction. I think people need to open thier eyes and see that this area is quickly being devastated. I cant drive more than 2 miles without seeing a former or active MTR site. I really wish I could travel this area and marvel in the beuaty that is appalachia, but that wish was taken away long ago. Now im just left with the hope that I can protect what little piece of this paradise that is left.
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Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by DevilsWin - 10-11-2007, 04:41 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 10-15-2007, 01:53 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by thecavemaster - 10-15-2007, 07:46 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by DevilsWin - 10-15-2007, 10:47 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by TidesHoss32 - 10-15-2007, 10:49 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 10-15-2007, 12:34 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by TidesHoss32 - 10-15-2007, 01:02 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Fenix - 10-15-2007, 01:53 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 10-15-2007, 02:36 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 10-15-2007, 10:02 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 10-15-2007, 10:07 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 10-16-2007, 02:49 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 10-16-2007, 06:50 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 10-16-2007, 07:13 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Redneck - 10-19-2007, 03:51 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 10-19-2007, 09:57 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 10-19-2007, 11:13 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 10-20-2007, 12:12 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Redneck - 10-20-2007, 05:31 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 10-20-2007, 10:19 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 10-20-2007, 12:15 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Redneck - 10-20-2007, 01:28 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 10-20-2007, 02:55 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 10-21-2007, 12:08 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 10-21-2007, 10:09 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 10-21-2007, 10:25 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 10-21-2007, 01:42 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 10-23-2007, 07:07 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 10-24-2007, 01:44 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Redneck - 10-30-2007, 12:40 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 10-30-2007, 03:27 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by thecavemaster - 10-30-2007, 04:01 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Redneck - 10-31-2007, 08:21 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 10-31-2007, 10:03 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Redneck - 10-31-2007, 11:04 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-01-2007, 11:19 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by TidesHoss32 - 11-01-2007, 12:31 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by thecavemaster - 11-01-2007, 12:55 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-01-2007, 01:57 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-01-2007, 09:35 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-01-2007, 10:54 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by TidesHoss32 - 11-01-2007, 11:58 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by DevilsWin - 11-02-2007, 01:00 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Beef - 11-02-2007, 04:32 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-02-2007, 01:52 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-02-2007, 02:09 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by DevilsWin - 11-02-2007, 02:42 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-02-2007, 04:41 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-02-2007, 04:57 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-02-2007, 07:52 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by TidesHoss32 - 11-03-2007, 03:51 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by DevilsWin - 11-03-2007, 05:04 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-03-2007, 05:32 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-11-2007, 06:47 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-11-2007, 06:52 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by TidesHoss32 - 11-11-2007, 07:15 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-11-2007, 07:31 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-11-2007, 08:05 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-11-2007, 08:19 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-12-2007, 12:39 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-12-2007, 12:56 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-13-2007, 08:11 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-13-2007, 10:08 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-13-2007, 10:11 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by DevilsWin - 11-14-2007, 12:29 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-17-2007, 01:37 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-17-2007, 01:38 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by DevilsWin - 11-17-2007, 02:19 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-17-2007, 04:23 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-18-2007, 04:20 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by BoondockSaint - 11-18-2007, 06:19 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-18-2007, 09:47 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-19-2007, 01:00 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by DevilsWin - 11-19-2007, 02:19 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-19-2007, 01:20 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-20-2007, 04:10 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-20-2007, 06:02 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by BlackcatAlum - 11-20-2007, 06:06 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-20-2007, 06:31 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by BlackcatAlum - 11-20-2007, 06:36 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-20-2007, 07:02 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-20-2007, 10:11 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by DevilsWin - 11-20-2007, 11:57 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-21-2007, 12:33 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-21-2007, 01:08 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-22-2007, 02:02 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by DevilsWin - 11-22-2007, 02:36 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by JCHS_EAGLE - 11-22-2007, 02:39 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-24-2007, 02:32 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-25-2007, 04:47 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Coach_Owens87 - 11-25-2007, 05:03 AM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-25-2007, 01:04 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by DevilsWin - 11-25-2007, 02:24 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-25-2007, 03:42 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by DevilsWin - 11-25-2007, 03:48 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-25-2007, 04:35 PM
Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Old School - 11-25-2007, 04:40 PM
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Church Group Opposes Bush Administrations Mine Rule Change - by Redneck - 01-12-2008, 02:10 AM
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