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Ukraine War
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(11-21-2024, 04:36 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(11-21-2024, 01:40 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(11-21-2024, 01:26 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(11-21-2024, 08:15 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: Who's going to pay hush money to Z when Biden can no longer use other people's money to keep him quiet? If I were Z, I would head for my bunker and double my security detail.

Where's the proof?  You may want to send it to Comer when you uncover it as he was made to look like a fool in the Senate hearings on Biden.
The evidence has already been presented and you would realize that if you were not so politically biased. I'll bet that you were one of those people who accepted the Biden administration's explanation that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation. You probably did not have time to watch or understand the significance of Joe Biden boasting about threatening to withhold $1 billion in American aid to Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor who was going after Hunter's employer. 

When Trump takes office, witnesses will no longer be able to ignore Congressional subpoenas with impunity. Joe, Jim, and Hunter have escaped the long arm of the law thanks to a crooked AG. That will change soon and Z may be receptive to cutting a deal that would include his testimony. Justice may be lurking just around the corner. Good times ahead!
https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110331/documents/HMKP-116-JU00-20191211-SD440.pdf


It's kind of getting old having to fact check you guys all the time, but just because Trump says it, it sure doesn't mean that it
's true.


Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster,
according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up
in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.
Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter
Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits
to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company
until 2014.

If they prove Biden did anything illegal, I hope that he is charged for it.  I don't put any human on a shrine and blindly worship them, unlike the maga crowd and no, I never really believed the Russian disinformation fiasco.
Thank you for your very politically biased summary of the Biden's business interests in Ukraine. Fortunately, Trump's newly nominated Attorney General and most members of the Republican Congress do not share your version of events. Below is a more objective analysis, which does not assume that the Biden family members are more credible than convicted felons, and which does not ignore the contents of Hunter Biden's own laptop or the sworn testimony of Tony Bobulinksi. It is entirely possible, and indeed likely, that Shokin, Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, and Devon Archer are all corrupt.

Viktor Shokin's dismissal as Ukraine's Prosecutor General in 2016 has been a contentious event, with differing interpretations from key figures and observers. Here are the main points:
  1. Shokin's Perspective:
    • Viktor Shokin alleges that he was fired because he was investigating Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company, and its connections to Hunter Biden, who served on Burisma’s board.
    • Shokin claims there was significant pressure from international figures, including then-U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, to remove him, purportedly to protect Burisma and the Bidens.
  2. Joe Biden's Perspective:
    • Joe Biden has openly acknowledged that, as Vice President, he conditioned $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees on Shokin's removal, citing widespread international concerns over Shokin's failure to combat corruption.
    • This stance aligns with positions from entities like the European Union and International Monetary Fund, which also criticized Shokin's office for ineffectiveness.
  3. Hunter Biden and Devon Archer's Involvement:
    • Hunter Biden served on Burisma's board, earning substantial compensation despite his lack of experience in the energy sector. His role has raised questions about potential conflicts of interest given his father's influence in Ukraine.
    • Devon Archer, a business associate of Hunter Biden and fellow Burisma board member, has testified before Congress. He stated that while Hunter leveraged the Biden name for influence, there was no direct evidence tying Joe Biden to decisions or actions benefiting Burisma.
    • Archer has also noted instances where Hunter Biden included his father in casual conversations during meetings, though no direct business discussions were reported.
  4. Evidence from Hunter Biden's Laptop:
    • The contents of Hunter Biden's laptop, verified as authentic by multiple outlets, include emails, texts, and financial records. These materials have fueled allegations that the Biden family engaged in influence-peddling schemes, including dealings with foreign entities.
    • Tony Bobulinski, a former Biden business associate, has alleged that Joe Biden was aware of and involved in Hunter's business dealings, citing specific communications and financial arrangements.
  5. The Broader Context:
    • Shokin's removal was part of a larger anti-corruption initiative supported by many Western nations and institutions. Critics argue, however, that this framing obscures potential ulterior motives, such as shielding Burisma or the Bidens from scrutiny.
    • Proponents of Biden's actions argue that his push for Shokin's dismissal was in line with U.S. foreign policy and unrelated to Hunter Biden’s role at Burisma.

In conclusion, Shokin’s firing remains a highly disputed event. Evidence from Hunter Biden’s laptop and testimony from individuals like Tony Bobulinski suggest potential conflicts of interest and influence-peddling, while Joe Biden and his supporters argue that his actions in Ukraine were consistent with international anti-corruption efforts. The truth likely lies in a nuanced examination of all available evidence, free from partisan interpretations.
Messages In This Thread
Ukraine War - by SEKYFAN - 11-19-2024, 04:15 PM
RE: Ukraine War - by Hoot Gibson - 11-19-2024, 05:12 PM
RE: Ukraine War - by Maga Nuts - 11-19-2024, 08:09 PM
RE: Ukraine War - by Old School Hound - 11-20-2024, 01:32 AM
RE: Ukraine War - by Hoot Gibson - 11-20-2024, 11:38 AM
RE: Ukraine War - by Maga Nuts - 11-20-2024, 11:46 AM
RE: Ukraine War - by Hoot Gibson - 11-20-2024, 11:49 AM
RE: Ukraine War - by jetpilot - 11-20-2024, 10:24 PM
RE: Ukraine War - by Hoot Gibson - 11-21-2024, 08:15 AM
RE: Ukraine War - by SEKYFAN - 11-21-2024, 01:26 PM
RE: Ukraine War - by Hoot Gibson - 11-21-2024, 01:40 PM
RE: Ukraine War - by SEKYFAN - 11-21-2024, 04:36 PM
RE: Ukraine War - by Hoot Gibson - 11-22-2024, 09:40 AM
RE: Ukraine War - by TD Hounds - 11-22-2024, 04:19 PM
RE: Ukraine War - by Hoot Gibson - 11-22-2024, 05:30 PM

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