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(01-12-2021, 11:57 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:(01-12-2021, 10:34 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: ^^ Inwardly you know that you're going too far. The true Church are those who are saved and I'm not at all concerned that those involved, nor the Lord suffers any confusion to that end.
(01-12-2021, 11:04 PM)TheRealThing Wrote: ^^ Most of my post vaporized somehow. No Christian excuses or condones the sins of the President. Every man will like you, stand on his own before the eternal Judge.That makes absolutely zero sense.
Christians have persecuted the same sins Trump has admitted in American citizens for centuries, but today they worship a man that commits them.
how does that work?
It works as I have explained to you, but you have rejected. If you are going to persist in making a moral argument against Trump or anybody else it is you who have moved the discussion to the Lord's purview. When you go to the polling place, you get the option to vote for or against elected officials. That's how you get to define them, you accept or reject them at the poll. The end. Now I knew a lot of men over the course of my life who had a particularly acute appreciation for women, lots of women. And as a result they had a particularly hard time limiting their interest and attentions to just one of them. There have been MANY well known and pivotal politicians who fit the same category. FDR had a mistress but under his guidance the US won WW2. Jack Kennedy, (Cuban missile crisis) Bobby Kennedy and Ted Kennedy all were known for their sexual dalliances. Bill Clinton anyone? All of those men had their questionable rendezvous while in office. Trump has walked the straight and narrow since his election.
And there are plenty of men in the Lord's Church who at one time or another suffered the same problem. Or alcohol. Or gambling. Or you name it or any combination thereof. When the Lord saved them they became a 'new creature in Christ' with a 'new nature.' But no matter who you are, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Further, he who is guilty of breaking God's law in one point, according to Him and let's face it, this is His universe; is guilty of breaking the whole law. That means all men are liars and murderers and the whole lot of it. The only thing which makes any of us good is the righteousness of Christ which is conferred upon all those whom He saves.
Your judgment of DJT is unacceptable in the Lord's eyes and in the eyes of those who understand such things because only He Who lived a perfect life on earth and then died on the cross, can make such judgments. Your judgment of Trump is a MORAL judgment. But Christians do not persecute the same sins Trump may or may not be guilty of committing as you say. And Christians do not worship President Trump. We point to the only One Who can forgive sin. You are wrong to say things like you have dared to say above.
ISAIAH 60
14“The sons of those who afflicted you will come bowing to you,
And all those who despised you will bow themselves at the soles of your feet;
And they will call you the city of the LORD,
The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
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Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Old School Hound - 01-12-2021, 02:29 AM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by vector#1 - 01-12-2021, 10:19 AM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-12-2021, 10:33 AM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-12-2021, 01:28 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Hoot Gibson - 01-12-2021, 01:45 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by vector#1 - 01-12-2021, 01:49 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-12-2021, 02:23 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-12-2021, 03:01 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-12-2021, 03:09 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-12-2021, 03:13 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-12-2021, 05:58 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-12-2021, 10:34 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-12-2021, 11:04 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-12-2021, 11:57 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-13-2021, 05:33 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-13-2021, 09:07 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Hoot Gibson - 01-13-2021, 10:28 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-13-2021, 10:55 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Hoot Gibson - 01-13-2021, 11:14 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-14-2021, 12:57 AM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Hoot Gibson - 01-14-2021, 01:37 AM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-14-2021, 01:44 AM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Hoot Gibson - 01-14-2021, 02:19 AM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-14-2021, 10:59 AM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Hoot Gibson - 01-14-2021, 11:08 AM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-14-2021, 12:09 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Hoot Gibson - 01-14-2021, 12:38 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-15-2021, 12:47 AM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-15-2021, 12:21 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-15-2021, 01:19 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-15-2021, 01:56 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Hoot Gibson - 01-15-2021, 02:33 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-15-2021, 02:46 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-15-2021, 04:46 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Old School Hound - 01-19-2021, 10:21 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-21-2021, 01:13 AM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Old School Hound - 01-21-2021, 02:24 AM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-21-2021, 11:36 AM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-15-2021, 04:52 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by vector#1 - 01-15-2021, 04:56 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-15-2021, 05:01 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by vector#1 - 01-15-2021, 05:07 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-15-2021, 08:52 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-15-2021, 08:54 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-16-2021, 01:30 AM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-17-2021, 08:05 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-17-2021, 11:38 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by TheRealThing - 01-19-2021, 09:43 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-19-2021, 11:09 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by vector#1 - 01-19-2021, 11:47 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-19-2021, 11:56 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by vector#1 - 01-19-2021, 04:04 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Hoot Gibson - 01-19-2021, 07:21 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by vector#1 - 01-19-2021, 07:52 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Hoot Gibson - 01-19-2021, 08:02 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by vector#1 - 01-19-2021, 08:19 PM
RE: Evangelical Leader Speaks Out About Trump and the Capitol Insurrection - by Cardfan1 - 01-19-2021, 09:19 PM
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