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Van Hagar Wrote:Well you can never have enough.��Serious question to you Real Thing, and please understand that I am not meaning this in any way as smart alecky towards you, I believe you are totally sincere in your religious beliefs, and I respect that completely. But as such, how do you square with your own beliefs supporting a man with the moral character Trump displays? (Examples that are on video, his “just grab ‘em by the ——-“ way for dealing with women (said while married no less), his making fun of the disabled reporter who asked a question he didn’t like, he constant use of profanity while making public speeches, etc. I’m speaking again here on the man himself, not necessarily his policies, a good number of which you might be surprised to know I can agree with.



100 percent honesty here. There are a number of instances in the Old Testament where God used unsaved men to accomplish His will in this world. Not the least of which was King Nebuchadnezzar. Even the Roman Governor Pilate, who oversaw Israel in the time of Jesus. But owing to man's fall from grace in the garden of Eden, all men are born sinners separated from God. The point is all of us, every last one, are equally as unfit as is DJT.

Yet he does publically recognize the sovereignty of God, he does decry open abortion, and he does declare that we are one people, under God. Presidents are not pastors, and vice versa. Frankly going by their actions, it would be a hard sell in my book to believe any President we've had other than Jimmy Carter was actually a saved-by-grace Christian. But Presidents have to be leaders, and many times that means they are who they are. Roosevelt had a mistress, and most presidents have similar skeletons stashed in the closet.

I know that I am a saved man. I also know that I have no right to judge Trump or any other man, because saved folk's relationship with Christ is totally divorced from being good. Saved by grace means in no way could we ever hope to earn or deserve salvation. It is God's gift and is based solely upon men admitting that they could never merit being saved, and they understand that the cross is where their sin debt was paid. It is a choice, that must be made by every man who must confess Christ in the presence of men, and putting off that choice is the same thing as saying no. Trump is no worse than any other president who ever sat the chair. And character-wise, no other president is one whit better than MR Trump. The One Who passes down judgment says there are only two types of people. Sinners who deny Him, and sinners (the saved) who obey Him. Nobody has the right to get up on any moral high horse.

I am thankful for MR Trump and I respect him in spite of his warts.
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