[Cardfan1]

Your first two paragraphs were a total smoke screen meant to make you look professorial, I guess. They don't change my assessment of Medicare versus Medicaid one iota.

As to my tone and taxes. I could care less how you feel about my tone. As to taxes. First, the 45% stat I cited addresses households, and only those who actually do bother to work, and who fail to earn enough to qualify under law to pay taxes. Many more millions of folks do not work at all, and therefore do not pay taxes because they do not make money. But for you to say I faulted those who don't make much money and therefore don't pay taxes is a lie. I will say it is immoral when able bodied people refuse to work whether because they think it's beneath them, or whether they're just lazy. Now I'm not talking about the temporarily unemployed here either. But poor people have never been turned away in this nation when they needed health care. Your mischaracterizations are shameful. In any case, you are a clinic in revisionist lies in and of yourself, are you not?

Your last paragraph is more threadbare Dem talking points. :dudecomeon:

I don’t expect what I say will change anything you think, but your assessment of both programs was a generalization.

Man, you’re really trying to make that 45% work.
That stat is thrown out there by wealthy conservatives to make folks want to punch down. “Look at all these sloths not working while you and I are carrying this nation.” But in reality it’s not true. That number is convoluted with several demographics, but that’s never explained because that is not the message that the these people want to perpetuate. It’s the only way millionaires and billionaires can relate with the middle class voter: hate the lower class.

Of course when the curtain is jerked away we find that those folks have their handout as much or more than those who are on hard times or even the straight out lazy. Takes a lot of welfare checks to equal the tax cuts and other corporate welfare that have been handed out recently from BOTH parties.

When you make the outlandish comments you make you do lump in those people who are on hard times or just starting out. So it’s not a lie. You may not really feel that way, but it’s what comes across. Maybe you should be more specific.

Is there a minority of people who take advantage of the social services? Damn right. I don’t agree with those people. I wish they would get out and participate instead of being a drain, but the worst thing those people do is tarnish the people who are trying to get ahead or recover from an industry shutting down, or an injury, or get an education.

Poor people have not been turned away, but the middle class has been duped on and suckered by the wealthy. You guys on here repeat exactly what they want you to: amaze at our feats and hate the poor/lazy and immigrants.