[TheRealThing]

Sorry, I'm not giving that fake news site a click. The fact you trust it as your source for anything explains a lot including your tone that often lacks civility.

I say the same for the other side (dailykos, crooksandliars, etc.). The rise of those type media sites have poisoned the well in this nation, and it borders on criminal, IMO.

I do see this as a right vs. wrong situation. I don't care what party it is, or who it is.

Did the president withhold Congressional allocated funds to coerce a Eastern European nation into starting an investigation into his potential political rival?

If so, that's wrong and an executive abuse of power. Period. End of spin.

[SIZE="3"]Asking that and wanting to get to the truth through the proper constitutional process doesn't make me a leftist/liberal/socialist lemming in lockstep with the national democratic party.
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The case will very soon be at the trial stage, hopefully minus the political theater (at least in the Senate chambers) that the impeachment in the HOR had. Every impeachment trial(including judges) has had witnesses, so I expect that to be the case in this trial. If the President attempts to block the witnesses the perception of guilt will grow.

I have no problem with the defense calling Joe Biden as a witness either. He should be willing to appear, and if he refuses the perception of corruption guilt will grow. I'm no lawyer by trade, but the defense will have to prove Biden was guilty of corruption for him to be a viable witness. If they can't it's a waste of time.

Whew. You really planted your flag on the perceived high ground that time huh? LOL Takes more than liberal indignation to get to that point if you ask me. The following is said in consideration of your having omitted or at least conveniently forgotten about all of the Dem's preceding though failed efforts, to hang the impeachment albatross around MR Trump's neck. Which began BTW on election night 2016. Regardless of any assertion that the Dems fed you and that you in turn may have repeated here, the President has done absolutely nothing that would lead any reasonable person to be suspicious, much less conclude that he committed so much as one iota of definable wrongdoing where the Ukraine is concerned. Now, your hero Obama is a much different case. When Putin's tanks were roaring into Crimea Obama gave blankets and such. Where were you guy's delicate sensitivities then?

My responses here in this thread weren't really meant for you. And your stated concerns about the way the President has conducted foreign policy boiled down, don't amount to a hill of beans. On the one hand your side of this mess has built a house of cards on zero evidence. While they needed no evidence to get all disturbed and concerned in soap operish fashion, they have managed to completely avoid the rather replete collection of exculpatory evidence, as well as any media which may dare to try to present same. But your's is to put forth the DNC sanctioned talking points. And in return I pointed out elements of the factual evidentiary chain. I do not accept any rationale which ascribes to the President, any intent to diminish any one or more of his political foes with the help of Ukraine. In fact, I think the likelihood that the President perceives Joe Biden as a meaningful threat is very questionable at best. To that extent you and I for the moment, have come to the point of diminished return. And any interest others may have had in reading this is very likely long gone.

The bolded--- It certainly does in my book. Where the impeachment is concerned, past rabid speculation, nothing of substance exists. But really, after watching Dems in operation during the entirely of this Administration you seriously had the cheek to say "end of spin?"

As to your Senate trial predictions and findings, I prefer to wait for the trial and see what happens for myself. In any case short of removal, the left will just not ever stop pursuing our great President. The accusations and conspiracies will endure until this fall when hopefully the voter will give control of the House back to Republicans. At that point the organized resistance will lose it's grip on the power to persecute MR Trump, and all this will fade to it's proper domain, background noise.