[TheRealThing]

There is nearly a 50/50 split on impeach and removal unless you ask Fox News that has impeach and removal at 51%. I would say the presidential race is wide open.

Come on, it's not fiction. Democrats seem to have plenty of circumstantial evidence that Trump was trying to get Ukraine to announce an investigation into Joe Biden by withholding aid. It's not enough to convict him criminally, but we aren't in a criminal court. There may be more evidence out there, but Trump has forbidden his minions from testifying: hence the obstruction of Congress.

Democrats got what they wanted done. Now I bet their plan is to muddy up the news cycle with Impeachment news and spats with the Senate keeping the focus off of any Trump accomplishments.

Trump needs to accept some blame. He was told that eyes and ears would be all over him after the House flipped blue. All he did was poke the hornet's nest

Oh yeah, Bill was guilty. He deserved to be impeached, but let's not pretend it wasn't a partisan smear that was also a farce. I also watched and the differences were minimal besides Clinton's people participated more. Heck, he was even deposed, which turned out to be a poor decision. I doubt Trump would ever do that. I wouldn't if I were him.

I also remember Democrats trying to brag about the booming economy and budget surplus the Clinton administration accomplished throughout the impeachment during the next election. Made no difference: the White House went Republican and Red House of Reps never felt a blip.

I will readily grant your point that public opinion is unfortunately, waaay more slanted against the President than I feel is warranted. My point exactly though, was that Dems from the get-go, have knocked themselves out to smear the President in order to either remove him outright, or diminish his administration to the point of being of no effect. That's why I asked you to name one thing that you know he's actually, provably done wrong. Much less said. I say you or nobody else can do that because all the incoming has been a bunch of made up slander inflamed by and delivered by a more than willing press corps.

The President's self confessed past character flaws, and the fact that he is not guilty of treason and bribery and collusion and racial bias and the myriad of other charges leveled by Dems, can both be true and exist at the same time. In a court room the prosecutor slams and defames everyone prone to provide exculpatory testimony. And it's no holds barred where the defendant is concerned. What I am saying is given the time and effort invested to tear down this President's reputation over the past 4 years, it's no surprise to me that Dems have managed to convince people the President should be removed from office. The reason of course, is to ruin him and the hated Republicans. The method is smear politics, and is straight out of the DNC playbook, and is certainly nothing new. In 2012 Harry Reid got up on the floor of the Senate and said that then candidate for President Mitt Romney hadn't paid any income taxes in 10 years. He later laughed about the lie in a moment of candor.

The sacred cow in all of this, The Whistle Blower :yikes: is reportedly an intel employee. Which of course disqualifies him from said status. And there is a cavalcade of dead bodies strewn over the political landscape of late. Comey, Strzok, McCabe, Clapper, Brennan, whose dealings the AG is determined to unearth. Things will continue to come to light.

The Constitution grants the President authority in matters of national security and foreign policy. He has the right and the power to withhold aid if he smells a rat. Further in the present matter, the President said do "us" a favor. "US" as in the United States. Not us as suggested by the prof who said Trump refers to himself as 'us,' in the manner of English monarchs. I mean that whole line is ridiculous. We're suddenly these days tore all to pieces over delayed military aid. But we were peepless when Putin was steamrolling Crimea and Obama gave a flat no to military aid all together. But added--- "I'll send you all some fuzzy blankets and such." :please:

There are no fact witnesses. There is a transcript, there are deepstaters, there are political detractors. That's not evidence. What that is is, is running over evidence, to get to the hearsay and innuendo.


ABTW, I'm in no way excusing Republicans for impeaching Clinton. But I do believe they have learned the hard way, that impeaching a President is to be done only as a last resort. Trump is no more a threat to this land than was Clinton. And his contribution to history may well prove to eclipse that of MR Clinton.