[Cardfan1]

What's to wonder? They're terrified of 2020. A number of the esteemed House patriots to include Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler, have stepped forward to offer concerns about the 2020 election. Those concerns of course are that Trump will win again.

No offense there Cardfan, but I defy you to name so much as one instance of Trump stepping across the lines of the law or political correctness. Name one legal trespass or one instance of his being either racially biased or insensitive. I'm not talking about the blanket charges without substance being cast daily by what is evidently your party and the complicitous media. Such as when they declare Trump to be racist without one shred of evidence or one instance of same to back it up. I mean one factual occasion of trespass, and that includes even the most casual aside which he may have made privately in conversation or otherwise. And BTW, don't ever kid yourself. The rabid chipmunks of the left have been busy in the bowels of government, burning up likely millions of tax dollars in the effort to run across so much as one occasion of bias they could hang around the President's neck.

I can't think of a more interviewed, more quoted, more exposed by means of video and audio, newspaper and magazine, and other sources such as meeting minutes, radio and TV shows etc., than Donald J Trump. And after four plus years of sifting through all of what is surely mountains of such evidentiary promise, they come up with---- NADA. Not one instance of slander, not one statement of bias, nothing, zip, goose egg, zero. But maybe you can help those desperate Dems out here. Tell us what you know. :biggrin:

IF Dems had so much as a whiff of legitimacy to attach to their articles of impeachment, they'd be shouting them from the housetops. But not one has emerged, and not one fact witness has been involved at any point. It's all a bunch of vagueries and innuendo, wrapped up in the Dem's peculiar and revisionist misinterpretations of the law and the Constitution.

But I am glad you brought up Bill Clinton. I don't know about you, but I was old enough to take in the real truth of the Clinton Impeachment. Which unlike this recent farce, was presented in precedent and in legal and honorable conditions.

There is nothing to gain by trying to re-impeach good ol Bill here, suffice it to say that he lost his license to practice law and he was fined for lying to a federal judge, not to mention the good folks of the USA. But on to the point, Dems had been looking to "get even" for the Clinton Impeachment since those days until finally, lacking any form of substance, they had to create an ax to grind out of pure fiction. There is no irony in the fact that they brought this thing to vote on the same date as the Bill Clinton Impeachment. In their minds they have delivered the poetic justice they promised and threatened Republicans with back in the 90's. The only problem is it's a complete farce.

There is nearly a 50/50 split on impeach and removal unless you ask Fox News that has impeach and removal at 51%. I would say the presidential race is wide open.

Come on, it's not fiction. Democrats seem to have plenty of circumstantial evidence that Trump was trying to get Ukraine to announce an investigation into Joe Biden by withholding aid. It's not enough to convict him criminally, but we aren't in a criminal court. There may be more evidence out there, but Trump has forbidden his minions from testifying: hence the obstruction of Congress.

Democrats got what they wanted done. Now I bet their plan is to muddy up the news cycle with Impeachment news and spats with the Senate keeping the focus off of any Trump accomplishments.

Trump needs to accept some blame. He was told that eyes and ears would be all over him after the House flipped blue. All he did was poke the hornet's nest

Oh yeah, Bill was guilty. He deserved to be impeached, but let's not pretend it wasn't a partisan smear that was also a farce. I also watched and the differences were minimal besides Clinton's people participated more. Heck, he was even deposed, which turned out to be a poor decision. I doubt Trump would ever do that. I wouldn't if I were him.

I also remember Democrats trying to brag about the booming economy and budget surplus the Clinton administration accomplished throughout the impeachment during the next election. Made no difference: the White House went Republican and Red House of Reps never felt a blip.