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09-11-2019, 09:48 PM
Hound05 Wrote:Dude you just became my new best friend. I love astronomy, physics. Well mostly astrophysics. I read all of it! Time, relatively, time dilation! I especially love reading how science basically proves the Bible. Although I didnât need it to In the first place, but still! I love the connection between God/faith and all of it. The only thing I think we might disagree with maybe..... is to me, time. I still somewhat view time as a delusion. God to me, is omnipresent, there is no past, present, future for him. While we as man are bound by it, sometimes I tbink are we really? Iâll live forever with my lord, so what is time when I know this? I guess looking back delusion is a bad word for it. Itâs hard to explain all of my thoughts on it typing on a phone haha. But if time is finite, it can be sped up or slowed down, how is it as real as say gravity? Which we canât manipulate? Iâm fascinated by all of it. Thereâs a good website called Listverse where you can search top 10âs of everything just about, I usually stick to the science part of it. You should check it out. But I think about it a lot. Does how one perceives time over someone else effect it? What about perception. If a person on the moon jumped up and and back down, when did it really happen? At the time that he actually done it? Or when you perceived it a tad bit later on earth? I look forward to more posts about stuff like this from you. Maybe next time I wonât be so tired and On a cell phone and we can get deeper into it.
I've tried to wrap my head around the concept of time for many years now. The reason being as stated above, there are those who contend (including Einstein and Hawking) that God likely does not exist because in their minds, everything that exists can be answered for in science.
In their minds as the case of eternity and the sovereignty of God may be concerned, the existence of time starts with the appearance of the universe. On that very narrow point, I find myself able to agree with them. God says He created the universe, and all we see here on earth, in 6 days. And what is it that makes a day? The earth rotates at a certain speed, and that speed is measureable from dawn of one day to dawn of the next. Adjusting of course for seasonal changes which reliably and predictably affect the length of each day and night. That's a day.
It follows then as the Lord says, man's days are numbered and as such, God has appointed the specific day that each one of us will die. So from the perspective that we have a preordained life span on this earth, we ought to use our time wisely IMHO. But I agree that time actually finds it's starting point at creation. I don't buy the big bang at all. That is not until the end, when the universe is melted away with a fervent heat, to be replaced with a new creation.
2 Peter 3:10 (KJV)
10 'But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.' There's your big bang. :biggrin:
King Nebuchadnezzar was king over this world's first great civilization, and as such was very interested in time, as was the man whom would become next in authority under the king. That man was none other than he who survived the firery furnace and a night in the lion's den, Daniel.
Daniel interpreted King Nebuchadnezzar's dream or vision, about the great statue standing on the plain of Shiloh, sparing the lives of ALL the wise men in the kingdom for having done so.
But the king looking at all that he had accomplished could not help but be somewhat overwhelmed with it all. He wondered what the end of man would be, and how many years would mankind last. God's answer to him was in the form of a vision of a giant statue, the meaning of the statue was to given to him by Daniel, God's servant. But as we presently see, the end of man is upon us. Recorded history ticks by in something over 6 thousand days and counting. But in assessing the historical status of King Nebuchadnezzar's kingdom, God in having compared Babylon to all those following, by likening it unto the statue's "head of gold." So the world today is an extension of the orderly financial and governmental processes set up by King Nebuchadnezzar. Commerce and consequently the idea of money, law enforcement, an organized military, education, plying one's trade, health care, transportation, you name it. Everything the world has other than the internet, phones and computers, was put in place by King Nebuchadnezzar.
But Daniel was extremely interested to know all that he could and asked the Lord to that end. And God did tell him how to number the days of Israel's existence using a 'weeks of years' formula. Which formula is what we have used to determine the length of the Tribulation for example.
Daniel 12:13 (KJV)
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
The lesser point being that Daniels days like the rest of us, were numbered.
The point is this-- God is in no way impacted by the limitations of time as we. He has no days to live, and He calls Himself "I AM" That is His name because He is limitless in any way man could ever imagine. God created the universe containing our solar system. In that solar system is a planet we call earth and the earth spins in cycles we call days, divided by 24 hours and so on. So dependable is the predictable passage of time that scientists can go back hundreds of years to accurately plot the positions of the planets at any given point in time. Just as they can accurately predict where Mars will be at a given point, and there are established launch windows should we ever attempt space travel there.
So, where this idea that time can be manipulated is concerned, if we ever were to get to that point, it is and would be a very narrow application. Time only for the people/person in a space ship would be affected by exceeding the speed of light. The rest of the universe would not. But no matter how fast space travel may attaint to, there is no way to reverse time, only slow down or speed up the passage of time.
What God did for Hezekiah was a miracle which defied the notion of space time and the laws of astrophysics and thermodynamics, and classical mechanics. God moved time backwards for King Hezekiah as a sign, just for the sake of his mental health and wellbeing.
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