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08-10-2019, 07:11 AM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:As you know, TRT, I voted for Trump and will be voting for him again in 2020. I agree 100 percent with your assertion that he is anything but a racist. However, there are so many examples of Trump blatantly lying that I am not going to waste much time recapping examples of his dishonesty. Had you ended your challenge to Trump detractors at providing examples of the president showing the kind of racial bias or outright racism that Obama and so many liberal politicians exhibit on a daily basis, then you would have been on solid ground.
Implying that there are no documented examples of Trump lying is going a bridge too far, IMO. When it comes to lies, Trump belongs to the go big or go home school of prevarication.
It appears that President Trump is ready to join forces with the despicable duo of Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell to undermine the Second Amendment rights of American citizens. Donald Trump is the best available candidate among a very bad crop of 2020 presidential contenders but I doubt that he will be running a clean, character counts type of campaign in 2020.
I would say that I have been disappointed in the job that Trump has done on many counts, including signing trillion dollar budget deficits into law, but I expected that his performance would be the mixed bag that it has been so far and is likely to be in the future.
Most criminals who use guns during the commission of violent crimes are never subjected to background checks and will never be subjected to them because criminals don't pay any attention to worthless, feel good legislation passed by cynical, dishonest politicians.
You and I are just not going to ever agree on one thing. And that is how much blame one could reasonably ascribe to Trump for the state of affairs in this nation as of Nov 8, 2016. And generally how far gone we already were. You've read my posts you know I've been warning about the moral degradation in the general sense since I came on here. I think he's done a reasonably good job considering the undeniable resistance with which he's been met by every last Democrat in government, along with the RINO wing of the Republican Conference, along with the deepstate, and along with the so-called free press.
My challenge was meant to be very specifically and narrowly defined. I blew that I suppose, when I included the sentence about one lie because people who do not like the President could say about everything he has said is a lie. The President has somewhat of a language problem, and I do agree that he often does not completely finish sentences, much less develop fully his train of thought. A LOT of people refer to such lapses as lies. And there have been other situations in which he has not yet come through with his promises. We do have a US Congress involved here to some degree too, correct? Though I did leave myself open for a certain criticism for having stated that line about the lie, I do not subscribe to that analysis . Restating my challenge more pointedly;
"But allow me to extend to any and all, the opportunity to post here on this forum so much as one lie that they know the President has spoken.
Prove to us all with so much as ONE statement or quote the President has made, that he is either a racist or a white supremacist."
The attacks being waged on President Trump are not based on whether he has lied. The attacks on him are the false charges of racism and white supremacist tendencies. They're trying to make another Hitler out of him. And they're trying to win the next election with that attack, you know this. You also know many minority groups have largely bought into these false charges and I believe you ought not to hold your peace on the matter because you know better. As I have said, I doubt there are many men who've been interviewed more, quoted more, or video and audio taped more. TV, radio, magazines, news papers, you name it. Almost everything the man has ever written or stated or mused about is on record SOMEPLACE, and with the legions of rabid chipmunks out there spending all of their time and millions of tax dollars that you and I will most likely never officially hear about, looking and sifting through all of that and turning over rocks if necessary, in the effort to find one little teensy example of racism or white supremacism; you can bet if there were one example, they'd have uncovered it by now and shouted it to the moon. Thus I know one thing, there are zero examples of his having made such a death deserving politically correct trespass on record.
As for the potential assault on the second amendment. All anyone would have to do under Trump's plan "as spoken," would be to have any doctor anywhere I suppose, to declare an individual mentally deficient. 'The man' would then be send to take his guns. If that's the case I would expect that when Democrats retake the White House, any and all deplorables who happen to hit the liberal radar screen for any reason whatever, may well find the man coming to their home to confiscate their guns. Any health reason could be deemed disqualifying, as could anybody say- younger than 21 or older that 65, or fill in the blanks because once that door is cracked there is absolutely no limit or going back. I agree, they'd turn the second amendment into a joke.
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