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Government Shutdown
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Hoot Gibson Wrote:There are too many shady straw man arguments in this post to waste my time on, TRT. So, I will address only one of them. I have never even remotely blamed Trump for the impasse over border wall funding. I have, in very plain terms, blamed Democrats and Mitch McConnell for the impasse. I have criticized Trump for not making a good faith effort to get the funding at a time when there was some hope of forcing McConnell's hand.

Also, I am still waiting for you and JP to explain how you expected Trump to secure funding for a border wall and get Mexico to pay for it, when the conditions when he took officer were exactly the conditions that existed when he made the promise. No more filibusters and mischaracterizations of my positions, please. Just tell me how you expected Trump to get border wall funding through the Senate without 60 votes for a cloture action.

IMO, the only chance that Trump had of succeeding was to lean on McConnell to suspend the filibuster rule in the Senate. That was not done and now Republicans don't have the votes in the House to get such a bill to the Senate.

Personally, I really thought that Trump would battle Ryan and McConnell over illegal immigration but it did not happen. He is obviously not responsible for the impasse but he also did not take his best shot at breaking that impasse when he had the best chance of success.

Obama twisted arms, bribed senators with earmarks, and found away to get what he wanted without 60 votes. Democrats even struck a deal with Republicans to get judges confirmed without having 60 votes to bring confirmation votes to the floor of the Senate.

What did you and JP expect Trump to do to get the funding for a border wall?

That's easy. I thought with a Republican Congress it was a slam dunk. Now the ugly secret that plenty of Republicans are fine with open borders is being exposed.
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