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Government Shutdown
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TheRealThing Wrote:Kind of seems like you're being a little petty yourself there Hoot. Instead you might try properly assessing the sloth and covetousness with which the traditionally convicted of this land are beset. Our national slide is being presided over by somebody, someplace, and it certainly isn't the President. Any remote possibility it could be the oppositionist political establishment? Instead of the honest governance of their charge for which they are being paid, the left and RINO's choose to spend all their time rather in pursuit of the resistance. They disguise their continual Trump attacks, as informed critiques of the one man in modern times with the courage to identify our ills and speak out irrespective of the fusillade of incoming he has been willing to endure. And he hasn't done this because of ego or any other selfish motivation. On the contrary, he has suffered the afore mentioned indignities on behalf of the millions being force fed the monkey puke now for decades. Dan Coats comes to mind. I thought he should have been fired for the comments he made following the Helsinki Summit. Last eve I heard several of the Congress say Coats should now be canned for the Intelligence Assessment he made to the Senate.

And for the record, I saw the unvarnished truth in that article.

From the bolded onward, I disagree with you completely. Liberals are the ones fomenting divide. They as you point out, have had the microphone now in this land for decades. Their base are those who like to lay in bed till noon, and lay the blame for their personal ills on others. And their leaders all like to lay the same sort of stuff usually associated with cattle. You already mentioned Huntley, Brinkley, Cronkite and all those coming after, of the media. They hated the mindset of the right, which I firmly believe emanated down through time directly from the founders themselves. Further, I believe the present state of rabidity characterized by the extreme left of state and federal government, was encouraged by the efforts of the media as their openly hostile opposition to our traditionally conservative origins have clearly and steadfastly demonstrated.

I don't know how conservative Trump really is, but any rational minded man knows for this land to thrive we must strike a reasonable balance with our opposites. The idea being, those from the left very often at some point choose of their own volition to come to the light. Unfortunately that choice has become far more problematic owing to the greatly exacerbated level of contempt. Said contempt is in vogue in every imaginable venue, from the indoctrination campaign being waged in our educational system, to many Churches, to the Academy Awards, to late night TV, to Union Halls, to stand up comedy. We are awash in it. Now, you can blame President Trump for all of this and you no doubt will, but it's just a shade larger an issue than the character and attitude of one man. However, if you want to hang blame on the one man to whom blame could reasonably be confirmed, you might try some remedial refresher therapy regarding the actions of one micro managing Barack Obama. Nonetheless, Kristol et-al were cooing contentedly in the Bush backwaters with they're delicate sensitivities untroubled for the 8 years of his moderacy. And frankly, I didn't say much and I don't remember you saying a lot either.

I like what Reagan said too, and agree with him completely. But your analysis that the particulars of the impasse we face, revolves around Trump as if he caused the impasse, doesn't hold water. It's because he's the one tasked by the people to take the fight to those who are causing the problem. It's called an election. It's no secret though that every cause needs a face, and the left's propaganda campaign as of Nov 8, 2016 has been to make that the face that of MR Trump. Logical. But if pressed to identify some of the players, I might start with the ones already mentioned here, along with the likes of George Soros. Not the only guy in modern times with the courage to even mention the root causes and name some of the actors in a public setting. In contrast for example, Obama foreign policy shot warnings out like unguided drones into the cybersphere without naming names. Not only did those to whom he invisibly referred completely ignore his warnings, they laughed him to scorn. And he totally deserved it BTW.

No, you go ahead and rationalize on, my Guile-O-Meter is pegged.
There are too many shady straw man arguments in this post to waste my time on, TRT. So, I will address only one of them. I have never even remotely blamed Trump for the impasse over border wall funding. I have, in very plain terms, blamed Democrats and Mitch McConnell for the impasse. I have criticized Trump for not making a good faith effort to get the funding at a time when there was some hope of forcing McConnell's hand.

Also, I am still waiting for you and JP to explain how you expected Trump to secure funding for a border wall and get Mexico to pay for it, when the conditions when he took officer were exactly the conditions that existed when he made the promise. No more filibusters and mischaracterizations of my positions, please. Just tell me how you expected Trump to get border wall funding through the Senate without 60 votes for a cloture action.

IMO, the only chance that Trump had of succeeding was to lean on McConnell to suspend the filibuster rule in the Senate. That was not done and now Republicans don't have the votes in the House to get such a bill to the Senate.

Personally, I really thought that Trump would battle Ryan and McConnell over illegal immigration but it did not happen. He is obviously not responsible for the impasse but he also did not take his best shot at breaking that impasse when he had the best chance of success.

Obama twisted arms, bribed senators with earmarks, and found away to get what he wanted without 60 votes. Democrats even struck a deal with Republicans to get judges confirmed without having 60 votes to bring confirmation votes to the floor of the Senate.

What did you and JP expect Trump to do to get the funding for a border wall?
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