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Hoot Gibson Wrote:I get it now. RINOs are the reason that President Trump made empty threats to veto spending bills that did not contain money earmarked for his "beautiful wall." I am still struggling to understand why RINOs are the reason Trump made empty threats when Republicans held majorities in the House an Senate for two years, but a partial shutdown of the government was a good idea after Republicans lost control of the House and Trump had almost zero chance of getting a bill to his desk that included money for a border wall.

Are there really people who voted for Trump who see logical consistency in those decisions?

The Gang of Eight, which included RINOs Lindsey Graham(nesty) and (Little) Marco Rubio, were awaiting Donald Trump when he was elected. We were assured that only Donald Trump was tough enough to get the wall built. In fact, both "Little Marco" and Donald Trump agreed that Ted Cruz's Senate position on illegal immigration was identical to Little Marco's and the other three RINOs of the Gang of Eight who attempted to pass off amnesty for illegal aliens for "comprehensive immigration reform." Does any of this ring a bell?

I never expected Trump to make good on his promise to build a southern wall and make Mexico pay for it. That pledge was pure showmanship. I did expect him to make a good faith effort to build a border wall and to make it his top priority.

RINOs and Democrats are a perfectly valid explanation of why Trump did not secure border wall funding during his first two years in office. Their existence, which predated Trump's border wall promise, does not explain why he made empty threats for two years before (partially) shutting down the government over the absence of border funding before later caving on the issue.

The truth is that nothing stopped Trump from forcing RINOs to vote for or against a border wall ahead of the 2018 elections. That was the time when he had the maximum leverage with Senate Republicans and he chose not to use it.

If, in three weeks, Trump decides to build the wall over the objections of Congress using Defense funding, I will support him - even though the federal courts are very likely to block the action. But let's be honest here - President Trump's performance on securing our southern border has been a disappointment thus far and neither Democrats nor RINOs are responsible for his poor timing in dealing with this very important issue.



Again, with the benefit of hindsight one can seem omniscient. Did a RINO walk into the Senate Chambers on his last earthy legs and kill the repeal of ObamaCare in a spectacularly personal way? Was the very same guy once again pivotal in then killing Graham-Cassidy? The horns sprouted and the long knives came out in earnest after that.

Whether we speak of issues which deal with Mexico... or with Russia, or North Korea, or the EU, or China, or the Taliban for that matter. The fact that America may border a land, or whether that land is on the other side of the globe, the leaders and people of any land can get the daily US news in the same real time as Americans. There's no filter on electronic media, and there's no time lag. Would Mexico have been more forthcoming with America had they not sensed political blood in the water? Likely yes. But where knowledge of current US affairs go, the people of other countries might as well live here. They hear the contempt and rabid threats of the leftist wing of the federal government. They hear the thinly veiled chides of the Speaker and the Senate Leader. And just like us, they can see the vote on any bill of interest. But worst of all they hear the daily atrocities emanating from the this nation's treasonous left wing media. Not the least of which would be a constant diet of the nastiest White House Press briefings of all time.

The media began ramping up the American divide 10 years ago when they believed they saw the life blood of the Republican Party dripping on the floor. And they've really had their foot on the gas for the last two. The result is a reluctance by foreign powers to deal with the US in good faith. And the people are at each other in unprecedented foment. Now that's what I see, and there are enough complicit RINO's embedded in both houses so as to make governance extremely difficult. There has NEVER been anything near to all this ever happening in the history of this country. And I haven't even touched on the Mueller Probe and all the covert machinations attached to the before-and-after on that.

IF the Republican Party had any foresight or integrity they would have seized their moment in history to rise up in unity and support the President. Even if they thought he might have needed guidance. After all, it was the people who elected Trump irrespective of the establishment's approval. Those Congressional Republicans who opposed him on personal grounds are just as guilty as Maxine Waters. And it's not that he would not have cooperated with them either. That's how he got talked into taking on ObamaCare if you will recall, in the first place. Then, again on Congressional urging the focus went to tax relief. But I know you already knew that. RINO's did, very likely cause the failure with the wall. If not then they were monumentally instrumental. And even then had McCain not killed the ObamaCare repeal, success would still have triumphed.

Now in finally facing the steely missiles of an opposition going nowhere, and with every hope of negotiation exhausted, it seems he will have to declare a national emergency in order to build a wall. I will support him to that end as well.
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