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11-09-2018, 06:06 PM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:You are missing my point, although I agree with most of your points. I don't want Trump working with people just to "get things done." I want him to stop public berating people who would likely support him and help him get the right things done, even if they disagree with him on other parts of his agenda. When you publicly and personally attack potential allies over single issues, then you will alienate a large percentage of those individuals to the point where they will not actively support any part of your agenda because they hold a personal grudge.
I am also not criticizing Trump for ridding his administration of people who are not getting the job done. What I am criticizing him for is for the way that he fires many of those people. This is not a reality show and most people will feel some sympathy for people who are fired in a very public way who have done nothing morally or ethically wrong. Those individuals, including Jeff Sessions, should be allowed to quietly resign, or, whenever possible offered another position within the administration where they have a better chance of succeeding.
I always thought Sessions was a bad choice for Attorney General, but nobody was a more loyal Trump supporter than he has been. I agreed with his decision to recuse himself from the Russia investigation because he was part of Trump's campaign and an Attorney General cannot ethically investigate himself - but Trump never should have appointed an AG who could not credibly claim some independence from the campaign.
As for leakers and members of the administration who publicly attack Trump and deliberately undermined his agenda, I have no problem with him firing them in a very public way because it serves as a deterrent to other leakers and it encourages people who have no people skills or common sense to leave on their own before they are tossed out.
Reagan's administration was full of people who thought his strategy to win the Cold War with the Soviets was nuts, and they respectfully shared that opinion with him - but they supported most of his agenda and they remained personally loyal to him throughout his terms as president. A president's staff needs to feel free to provide honest opinions to their boss without those opinions becoming public and without being publicly humiliated for expressing them.
That seems to be a key difference between the Reagan administration and the Trump administration. To paraphrase GWB, Reagan was the "decider," but he surrounded himself with loyal supporters who were not afraid to give him advice that he might reject. Trump's style does not inspire the same kind of loyalty and confidence from his own staff and appointees.
No I got the point and I don't want that either. With the impeachment of Clinton, the Dem's effectively bastardized the office of President in the first place. And with the people's choice in the person of MR Trump, came the flood of wrongful slander on the parts of Democrats which held that Trump's presidency is illegitimate. Hello, is anybody awake out there? Republicans should have knocked all that traitorous rhetoric down from the get-go, but they didn't want to soil themselves... I guess. If Republicans had taken a honorable stand and spoken up, it wouldn't have to be only one man all the time, the president, having to make the responses. In any event, in said Republican reluctance to stand up for the Republic, history will show that they were as guilty in the perpetuation of the fall of this land as the Democrats. And afterward, I guarantee the very guy that will express the most shock and self-righteous indignation will be none other than the impossibly naïve Paul Ryan.
Respectfully, the problems you speak of are all the result of the establishment's rejection of his election to office. That going wisdom, as absurd as it is, fuels all of the attacks coming his way. From those who openly say they dislike him, to the deepstate comprised of agency heads and staff, to the media, to the afore mentioned political establishment, to those who like him but fear the resultant repercussions from their peers, everybody's hands are dirty here. That's my humble opinion. Nobody seems to be respecting the office and frankly, the rumors you and I hear in which the accounts of any particular spat are brought forth, are not likely to be all that straightforward because of the bent to frame the President as negatively as possible. The people chose MR Trump. Anything short of respect across the board from the Washington establishment to that end is subversive to good this country. And at the minimum a departure from a government of and by the people. America will rue the day, and these I believe are just the beginnings of what is to come.
By the time people who have no claim to the riches of this land are done with their pillaging and usurpings of the law, and the reality of what such actions will ultimately mean to this land is realized, it will already be far too late to respond. To wit, I hear that hundreds of Democrat lawyers have descended on Florida to steal the Senate seat Rick Scott has just won, and the Governor's House that Ron DeSantis won. I don't know about you but at this point I don't have an overabundance of surety that our system of elections is very foolproof. Supposedly, thousands of paper ballots are flying into the board of elections authority in Florida from parts rather unknown and long after the deadline for accepting those ballots has passed. Let's just keep voting until we get the result we want, whadda ya say? And where have Republicans been on the issue of voter fraud? Scared to death in a corner.
I understand MR Trump's consternation, and if he understands the true nature of the opposition he faces and I think he does, that is part of what keeps him from succumbing to all the contempt coming his way. In that light, though the immediate state of affairs around here is cloudy, I pray that he will persevere in his efforts to serve this land.
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