[Hoot Gibson]

Donald J Trump spoke only of coal jobs as he addressed the good folks of West Virginia. Asman was speaking of coal mining jobs when he cited The Hill article, which also spoke of coal jobs. The subsequent article cited by SourceWatch defined all of the 174 thousand listed as being coal jobs. Transportation jobs, some jobs associated with coal fired electricity generating stations AND the actual mining jobs came to a total of 174 thousand. I pointed that out for two reasons. First was your ridiculous claim of 50 thousand total jobs, plus your intentional deception in which you insist on limiting coal mining jobs to the miners only. Then Gut came on and further clarified other jobs, but not all, which are also associated with coal mining.

Don't try to hide behind vector, all he did was post a link. The ensuing narrowing and redefinitions on your part, were meant to slake your own long standing obsessions. As I said your distortions notwithstanding, might cut some ice with the likes of Motley and vector, not me. At any rate your initial effort was to attack valid sourcing. As you then proceeded to suggest The Hill didn't know what they were talking about and further, SourceWatch didn't understand what coal mining jobs were either. I will stick with Asman and The Hill. You go ahead and change reality to your liking. :Thumbs:

Absurd.

You misquoted The Hill article and you continue to so. I distorted nothing. I used the same source as The Hill used. Anybody who claims that 104,000 coal mining jobs have been created since October 2016 is mistaken or lying. You claim that Asman said that 104,000 coal mining jobs have been created in that time frame but have provided nothing to support your claim.

I certainly have not said that The Hill did not know what they were talking about because all The Hill did was accurately report the statistics compiled and reported by President Trump's own Labor Department. I would say that you do not know what you are talking about, but at this point I am sure that you know exactly what you did and recognize that you misquoted your own source.

Not content to mischaracterize one article, you are also misrepresenting the report to which you linked that was prepared by the radical left wing activist organization, SourceWatch. You claimed that report was subsequent to The Hill article. In fact, the statistics cited in the SourceWatch report were from the Obama years. The purpose of the SourceWatch report, if one actually reads it, was to make the case that the average number of coal mining related jobs was higher under the Obama administration than it was under the administration of George W. Bush.

From the last section of the SourceWatch report to which you linked in an earlier thread:

Appalachian Voices

The 2013 Appalachian Voices report, "Growth of U.S. Coal Jobs: Federal Data Showing Coal Mining Employment Trending Higher Since 2009," looks at Mining Safety and Health Administration data on coal mining jobs, which shows that the average number of coal-mining jobs under the Obama administration has been 15.3 percent higher than the average under George W. Bush. The report points to increased exports and decreasing productivity - requiring more workers to extract harder to reach coal - as reasons for the increase.

The same "report" from SourceWatch that you excitedly cited after falsely claiming that 104,000 coal mining jobs have been created since 2016 also states:

There are approximately 174,000 blue-collar, full-time, permanent jobs related to coal in the U.S.: mining (83,000), transportation (31,000), and power plant employment (60,000). (See below for details on each sector.) The U.S. civilian labor force totaled 141,730,000 workers in 2005; thus, permanent blue-collar coal industry employees represent 0.12% of the U.S. workforce.[1] (Compare this percentage with the 1.89% of U.S. workers who worked in coal mining alone in 1920.)

Later, in the same SourceWatch report that you cite to support your false claim:

Coal mining jobs

In 2013, there were 80,209 people employed in coal mining in the U.S. Of those, 47,475 worked in underground mining, and 35,398 worked in surface mining.

Here is a breakdown of the geographical distribution of underground coal mining jobs in 2006 (with coal production in thousands of short tons):

In other words, you used a distorted, pre-2016 statistic from a pro-Obama, George Soros-funded organization to show that bolster your bogus claim that 104,000 coal mining jobs were created after October 2016. Is that a rational argument? Of course not. It is nonsensical.

BTW, even SourceWatch cites the Bureau of Labor Statistics as a source for some of its data. However, all of the references date to the time period prior to 2016.

So, TheRealThing, please explain the relevance of pre-2016 statistics reported by an organization funded by George Soros to the subject at hand. All that the SourceWatch proves is that there were more coal mining jobs under Obama in the early years of his War on Coal than there were when he left office. That is not news, is it?

Can an Obama era report prove your claim about coal mining jobs created after Donald Trump was elected president? How is that possible? The answer the the last question is that it is not possible at all.

The SourceWatch "report" is a classic example of the radical left lying with statistics. I never expected a conservative to cite such liberal propaganda as a legitimate news source.

Trump's record of supporting the coal mining industry is rock solid. He does not need anybody to make such lame attempts to exaggerate his stellar record in that area. Let his record speak for itself.