[TheRealThing]

You have this revisionist view of "America" as the new Israel (I guess) and act like Scripture says nothing about civil government, though Gentile believers were under nothing but. We have no disagreement, Sir, about Christ. We do have a disagreement about the inclusiveness of Constitutional principles and the role of a Constitutional democracy as it relates to matters of faith.

A profound disagreement actually. The US government to your ilk, frames some sort of secular sanctuary, where vices and vitriol are dressed up as being patriotic and protected among the unalienable rights conferred upon men by no less an Authority, than Almighty God Himself. But your premise is quite a stretch, and that's really saying something when speaking of you who has built for himself a rebellious life rationale, in which men are somehow afforded of their own volition, a little something extra above that of forgiveness through repentance. The Founders made no such attempt to compartmentalize the secular from the spiritual, and any assertions to the contrary are nothing more than the lies of the guilty of conscience. If you knew anything about John Locke and his influence on our founding you'd know that.

But you seem to see man in his lost state as some sort of brotherhood special interests. In the sanctuary you've carved out in your imagination, sin is a shared sweet sorrow of which God will understand somehow, and will wind up relenting His hard line regarding universal judgment, and join with man one day to celebrate the commonness of his own frailty and short fall. I guess, - another of my colloquialisms which seems to have found it's way into your utility, you must have missed the part of His Word in which all of mankind are summarily born into a state in which they are proclaimed automatically condemned to eternal hell, and must choose their way out of that state via the death of Christ on the cross; But only by grace through faith. Or is that one of the parts you dismiss?

You Sir, are blind to the truth. The charter of the Church and of every child of God, is to point the lost to Christ. Helping the sick, the infirm, the poor, the naked and the hungry is part of it, but none of those things will deliver a soul from the fires of hell. Only a saving knowledge of Jesus will do that, and is only accomplished through what the Bible says is the "foolishness of preaching."

Additionally, you who love to falsely analogize about 'hand counting,' would seek to validate your self imposed misinterpretations, ironically by the dishonest addition of 'hands,' (ala the revisionist message) saying the Founder's views actually match your own, and not the traditionalists of the historical record. But keep trying because after the Rapture, the Church will be gone, as will the Holy Spirit, and you guys can pass godless legislation like there ain't no tomorrow. Of course, owing to the relatively short duration of the Great Tribulation, there very nearly won't be a tomorrow. But for a short time, man will reign here, and his supreme leader will be Antichrist.