[TheRealThing]

Yes, Thomas Jefferson, and the point is not to be held hostage by the past, but to recognize that the past is a part of history. You create arguments you want to debate. This is fallacy at its zenith. This nation will not be reduced to irrelevancy by egalitarian principle or freedom of conscience or the continual striving toward the ideals of our founding documents at their highest calling. Give us all a break from your sanctimonious droning.

You don't have the first clue how good life was at the Jefferson estate, nor do you have a leg to stand on with the deal about Founders and slave concubines. :please: That doesn't stop you though, does it? Feelings can always overcome reason, or the historical record for that matter, right there Sombrero? But you mean 'us' as in you, mr.fundamental and Gitback I assume? Because they are your only audience on here. Certainly nobody else is going to allow you to rewrite and redefine this nation's historical significance in the vain writhings of the liberal revisionist.

And I know current events are to be ignored for the fully bloomed lib, but as an unpleasant reminder, the 5-4 conservative balance to the Supreme Court has been restored again. Further, with any luck at all Donald Trump will be privileged to appoint at least one more associate justice and likely 2. So you know what you can do with your liberal 'higher calling' pipe dreams. :biggrin: