[TheRealThing]

Anybody allergic to straw? Grab the Allegra D folks, TRT is posting again.

Essential liberty and freedom of conscience are neither liberal nor conservative. I would say they are more libertarian than anything if folks like you demand a label.

And, dearest Culture Warrior, in defending Christ (which he said "Follow me" and not "Defend me") by stepping outside the Spirit of Christ you place yourself firmly in the finest tradition of the Dark Ages, the Crusades, and all those who had zeal but not intimate relationship with the Savior.

I respect your sincerity. I don't agree with where it leads you in the church/civil government discussion in many areas. It seems to me that this nation has afforded Christians every freedom possible to freely and fully worship God as they see fit. Apparently, you don't want to live in a nation which allows first trimester abortions or gays to marry. I respect that, especially the former. I believe this nation affords freedom of conscience and essential liberty. People make choices, use and misuse freedom, worship what they please when they please and in the manner they please. Or not at all. The civil government in this republic allows that under the banner of our Constitution. The ultimate disposition of the human soul is not a matter of adjudication for civil authority. How a person exercises essential liberty and freedom of conscience is, ultimately, a matter beyond government.

Sorry, I'm not biting. Liberalism is founded on 1) - the natural goodness of humans and 2) - the autonomy of the individual. Or as you like to put it Essential liberty, and freedom of conscience.

But as to the bolded, quite a mouthful BTW, let's end all your writhings and distortions. Either quote a specific defense of Christ Jesus by my hand, or admit you have a problem with reality and even worse, the truth. I'm not worthy to defend Christ, I am however up to challenging His and thus Christianity's foes. Ever heard of Christian apologetics? What follows is but one example from among the thousands of organizations committed to Christian apologetics in existence today.

The Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

MISSION STATEMENT---
"Christian ministry dedicated to the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ and the promotion and defense of the Christian Gospel, doctrine, and theology. To do this, CARM analyzes religious and non-religious movements and compares them to the Bible. We examine abortion, atheism, evolution, Islam, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism, relativism, Roman Catholicism, Wicca, universalism, (and more), along with Christian preachers and teachers. In all our analyses we use the Bible as the final standard of truth in order to defend and promote Christianity. Please consider checking out our statement of faith"
https://www.carm.org/


You might want to get started in straightening out Christendom from your vast insight because, everybody else obviously has not caught up with you yet. And, owing to the diverse millions of us who are summarily deemed errant by your declaration above, you have a lot of work to do. Frankly I disagree with your stated heresy, completely. Further, it is my intention to continue my ways of Christian apologetics for as long as God will use me to that end. Not to challenge the lies is to lend them integrity or otherwise support them. I can't be part of that.

But you did do a glancing blow off of something that I am certain you don't even understand. If the twin pillars supporting your cultist machinations, (essential liberty and freedom of conscience) actually did exist; And if as you contend they are matters 'beyond government,' that must mean you are saying what? That they are matters of doctrinal or spiritual origins?

Our founding and consequently our heritage, actually were matters which derived their authority from a power greater than, or 'beyond' government. Hence Jefferson's foundation; "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,"

Though as Jefferson stated our government can be used to secure said rights, it can no more grant such rights than it can take them away. But I know that won't stop your ilk from trying anyway.