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01-04-2017, 12:28 AM
The Urban Sombrero Wrote:
Here's the spin: the insinuation, TRT, is that since 1941, President Obama has allowed the US Navy to be at its most vulnerable, and our country. That is what was directly contradicted by a plane captain of the George H W Bush.
And in this you have confirmed that you cannot distinguish spin from the real thing, not that there was any doubt. There was no spin attached to my posts I said straight up, that this weekend was the first that a carrier group was not on patrol since days prior to 1941. I'm sure if Roosevelt had listened to the anti war liberals of the day, our carriers would have been at Pearl on the morning of December 7th, rather than at sea out of harm's way. And world history would be significantly different.
I doubt that anybody in the US Navy thinks the fleet, or any part of the fleet is vulnerable. I never said that. What I said, and you have a lot of trouble with things like this, was that US interests went unsupported by a carrier group during that span. Like say a move by Putin on the Baltics? We'd rather not lose any naval vessel, they're all precious protectors of freedom. But the national defense is the charge of our armed services. US Destroyers and Missile frigates are an intimidating force, and as such must face off against our enemies at a moments notice. Though they are anything but expendable, their workplace is the definition of harm's way. But you back those up Destroyers and Frigates with a carrier loaded with US fighters and other attack aircraft, and nobody in their right mind would dare try their luck. You might bounce the term 'overwhelming force' off of the good plane captain and see if he has any familiarity thereof.
General Jack Keane, Lt Gen Thomas McInerney and Naval Captain Chuck Nash certainly do, just to name a few, and have gone into great detail on the decimation of the US Armed Services over the past 8 years. So I'll just go with what they have to say about all this, if it's all the same to you.
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Is it Time for the U.S. to Officially Pull Out of the U.N.? - by TheRealThing - 01-09-2017, 05:46 AM
Is it Time for the U.S. to Officially Pull Out of the U.N.? - by The Urban Sombrero - 01-09-2017, 07:10 PM
Is it Time for the U.S. to Officially Pull Out of the U.N.? - by The Urban Sombrero - 01-09-2017, 07:34 PM
Is it Time for the U.S. to Officially Pull Out of the U.N.? - by TheRealThing - 01-09-2017, 07:57 PM
Is it Time for the U.S. to Officially Pull Out of the U.N.? - by The Urban Sombrero - 01-09-2017, 08:12 PM
Is it Time for the U.S. to Officially Pull Out of the U.N.? - by TheRealThing - 01-09-2017, 09:17 PM
Is it Time for the U.S. to Officially Pull Out of the U.N.? - by The Urban Sombrero - 01-09-2017, 09:47 PM
Is it Time for the U.S. to Officially Pull Out of the U.N.? - by TheRealThing - 01-09-2017, 10:49 PM
Is it Time for the U.S. to Officially Pull Out of the U.N.? - by The Urban Sombrero - 01-09-2017, 11:27 PM
Is it Time for the U.S. to Officially Pull Out of the U.N.? - by TheRealThing - 01-10-2017, 03:06 AM
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