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12-16-2016, 11:02 PM
TheRealThing Wrote:Jefferson's conflictions are well documented and I have pointed them out repeatedly. As compelling as the case may be, Jefferson is but one man from among over 230 who can reasonably be considered to be a founder. Further, his is the sole example other than the 3 deists (and I had to prove to you that number was not far greater) for which there is a mention of any founder rejecting the 'as written' Godhood of Christ, in support of your blanket assessment of the founder's faith. The irony here is that you who though doped up on your own opiate consisting of mitigation and denial, see fit nonetheless to make your leaps of revisionist assumption, tinged with ridiculous diagnostic overtones so as to suit your own palate.
So then you, like Jefferson, have a form of Godliness 'but deny the power thereof' as that would apply to the validity of His miracles? Bill O'Reilly is considered a highly informed man, and as an author has a best selling book entitled "Killing Jesus." But his stated opinion on Scripture is that It is filled with allegory. In other words he doesn't buy walking on water and the parting of the Red Sea. Thus though I might respect his intellect, I reject many of his opinions because of his failings in matters of discernment. Similarly I'll not strive with you on the level of my informed state of awareness. I know I don't agree with you on very much at all, and I know my opinion is based on observation and my personal relationship with The Lord Jesus Christ. Like I said, I am more than comfortable to that end.
I can't speak to your preexisting level of familiarity with Tillerson, though I remain unconvinced. In any case Trump has assembled the most formidable cabinet in modern times and I said early on in the campaign that would be the hallmark of his Presidency. I say, bring it on. ABTW, it would appear that even Putin has had just about enough, and has told Obama to put up or shut up. So today, Loretta Lynch jumps up very coincidentally and proclaims that there is no existing evidence to show any election data tampering.
I think Christ calmed the wind and waves and walked on water, thus the statement about the rational human mind not being the test for ultimate reality.
To my knowledge, I haven't much bothered with the Russian hacking thing, except to say if evidence truly exists a response is needed, and measures to try and minimize/prevent in the future, though, as I said, the assumption that all emails are public is probably wise.
I am not throwing PE Trump's cabinet under the bus. "Cause for concern" doesn't mean "bunch of blood sucking criminals."
Jefferson and three others does NOT capture the breadth of Deism's influence on thinking. Your assertion that the faith of the Founders en masse was more pure, more fervent, more orthodox than the average lot of insider power brokers and stake holders (white landowners who were wealthy for that time) does not hold historical water.
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