[TheRealThing]

Again, you surprise me. So well versed as a Scribe in the Scriptures, yet here claiming that human nature in 1770's was so different than today.

The historical documents? A "full faith and credit" examination establishes beyond dispute that Judaeo-Christianity influenced our Founders, as did Deism and the Enlightenment. Period.

Again, I invite anyone interested to take those four "dig points" and examine primary source material relating to the "top ten and honorable mention" Founding Fathers. No wayfaring man need err therein.

Oh I have little doubt that you sort of stay surprised. Actually my claim was that society as it existed in the founder's day, would have rejected the lies and scandal folks of your ilk are so cozy with in our own. Human nature is the same, depraved. And yet though fear of being judged by one's peers for bad behavior, at one time did have the effect of keeping most folks in line, we have seen that as personal standards have eroded a marked change has occurred in what is considered acceptable and unacceptable even within my own lifetime.

For example, back when I was a teen if one was overtaken in a fault, particularly if his girlfriend turned up pregnant, certain things automatically happened. Society in that day would not have expected the State to take the love child in question to raise as we do in our day. Such an event usually meant dropping out of college and getting a job in an all out effort to immediately begin to provide for the care of Mom and baby. But of course, only after the formality of what was at that time referred to as a shotgun wedding. Back in that day actions had consequences, not so today.

No, today hardly an eyebrow is arched when little so and so turns up pregnant, the father being free in the vast majority of the cases to ignore the whole affair if he so chooses. Life in America is on it's head as compared to the time of Eisenhower and JFK, then only a few men took the low road and shirked their responsibilities. The reverse of which is more true now, as most often the parents stop seeing each other and the taxpayer is left to subsidize the sexual excesses of the nation either in the form of cradle to grave entitlements or in shouldering the cost of an abortion.

We are a much degraded people as compared to the days of the founders. We just keep slipping and the libs just keep rationalizing about it. Hillary is the perfect poster child for a society which excuses every lapse of personal integrity. I can see why her name would have been on the tip of your tongue.

And I might ask. How many so far have availed themselves of your oft proffered gracious invitation to plumb the depths of liberal distortion, be it by shovel or by gleeful immersion? :biggrin: