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11-29-2016, 11:28 PM
TheRealThing Wrote:Nope. Didn't say anything like that. I said that you are uncomfortable with the truth, and are therefore seeking out a form with which you are more comfortable.
The fools' errand is in the attempt to ascribe Deism to an appreciable number of the founders. We have in many cases the diaries of many of them, but as fate would have it the actual breakdown of each founder's faith is a matter of public record. "Among the delegates (the 55 recognized founders) were 28 Episcopalians, 8 Presbyterians, 7 Congregationalists, 2 Lutherans, 2 Dutch Reformed, 2 Methodists, 2 Roman Catholics, 1 unknown, and only 3 deists--Williamson, Wilson, and Franklin--this at a time when church membership entailed a sworn public confession of biblical faith." [John Eidsmoe, Christianity and the Constitution, (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1987), p. 43.] And I might add, Franklin's flirtation with Deism was not at all long lived.
Your assertion that my faith is wed to my politics is a charge by which I would be honored, especially if that impression were the opinion of many. As I have mentioned, one cannot compartmentalize truth and remain objective. I prefer to see all truth as relevant. Thus, I am not blindly bound to separate Church and State. You have an ax to grind, and like the bozo who was supposedly successful in his quest to make a significant evidentiary contribution to the cause of Evolutionism, and who jumped up and battled off to Java to find the bones of ancient man. And wouldn't you just know it? Up jumped Java Man, what a miracle!
Digging for truth ala the fashion of Jefferson takes one on a journey to a destination of which he is unaware, and leads him to accept what he finds, not what he wants to find. Liberals and Evolutionists, the same thing really, already know what they hope to find and have retro-engineered a series of forgeries. And here is where they finally find common ground, those forgeries involve American history, heritage, science, religion, law and even politics. As the so-called party of Lincoln supposedly and magically switched to the Democrats. A stand which the record does not support. Do yourself a favor and watch D'Souza's work, "Hillary's America" if you'd like to see what honest digging looks like.
Honest digging requires no certain outcome. The four "digging points" send one on a journey into primary source material, not commentary or secondary source material.
The very use of the phrase "Nature's God" is straight from Deistical thought and writings of the time. Read for youself what Christian pastors close to Jefferson, even Washington, thought of the Deistical influence on those highly influential men. You're wrong, TRT, not because traditional Christianity indeed influenced the Framers (it did), but because you shut your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears and say loudly "La La La" in the face of clear and present evidence that Deism was also a major philosophical underpinning of our Constitutional Framers.
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