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A Fundamental Question
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The Urban Sombrero Wrote:Would you, then, Constitutionally, disallow adultery?

▶The "Nature's God" aspect, by extension, goes to "endowed by their Creator" with "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.". I believe the argument being constructed suggested that no King or Tyrant could or should supercede the freedom endowed by the Creator. Without question, human dignity (liberty) is being grounded in the Creator, not anything created. But, if you are suggesting the Framers saw it as establishing a New World Israel relationship with God for America, I cannot concur.

I reject the "only got two options" aspect of your question. That American law was based on Judaeo-Christian ethics, I do not dispute. That America was positioned in covenant relationship as was Israel cannot be initiated by Man.

What I am asserting is that freedom of conscience was of supreme value to the Framers.



We are at odds. The rights endowed by God shows the origin of those rights to be of heavenly origin. The laws of nature and Nature's God, was a message addressed to the King of England and frankly anybody else who lived on earth in that day, to inform him and them, as to the authority by which we Americans were about to shed ourselves of the rule of England.

The covenant relationship was with Abraham. It was extended to the gentile nations via the grafted branch, and therefore is today, and will be again for the Jew when Gentile and Jewish history merges again in the spiritual sense, after the Tribulation Period.

The wild olive branch (Gentiles) is thereby grafted into the domesticated and fruitful tree, which is again the representation of God's chosen people Israel. Therefore, all those not of the House of Israel, who bow before Him and are consequently forgiven of their sins, are the grafted branch. In that sense then, we are literally become the children of Abraham, of the House of Israel. In no way do I see the connection however, that you seem to have made with this as it might pertain to the US Constitution. The reason there are only two possible answers to the question is simple. God is either what He says He is, or He is not.

Still, the records of our founding prove beyond doubt, the framers never intended to make the US a kind of pseudo theocracy, nor would there ever have been any sort of Christian requirement for it's citizens to enjoy the benefits of the unalienable rights endowed by our Creator.

Freedom of conscience if supreme, would mean those arguing for abortion and gay rights and manmade laws that supercede those given to man in God's Word. Which I believe is a direct contradiction to The Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God. But, that is surely what we have and I am very concerned because of it. It boils down to the same old thing, what really is supreme, God's sovereignty, or man's conscience/will.
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A Fundamental Question - by The Urban Sombrero - 08-02-2016, 06:36 PM
A Fundamental Question - by TheRealThing - 08-03-2016, 12:29 AM
A Fundamental Question - by The Urban Sombrero - 08-03-2016, 01:27 AM
A Fundamental Question - by TheRealThing - 08-03-2016, 03:42 AM
A Fundamental Question - by The Urban Sombrero - 08-03-2016, 05:44 AM
A Fundamental Question - by TheRealThing - 08-03-2016, 08:25 PM
A Fundamental Question - by The Urban Sombrero - 08-04-2016, 02:42 AM
A Fundamental Question - by TheRealThing - 08-04-2016, 02:11 PM
A Fundamental Question - by WideRight05 - 08-04-2016, 05:49 PM
A Fundamental Question - by The Urban Sombrero - 08-04-2016, 08:33 PM
A Fundamental Question - by The Urban Sombrero - 08-04-2016, 08:46 PM
A Fundamental Question - by TheRealThing - 08-04-2016, 10:45 PM
A Fundamental Question - by TheRealThing - 08-04-2016, 10:52 PM
A Fundamental Question - by The Urban Sombrero - 08-04-2016, 11:39 PM
A Fundamental Question - by The Urban Sombrero - 08-05-2016, 03:32 AM
A Fundamental Question - by TheRealThing - 08-05-2016, 04:33 AM
A Fundamental Question - by TheRealThing - 08-05-2016, 04:41 AM
A Fundamental Question - by The Urban Sombrero - 08-05-2016, 05:01 AM
A Fundamental Question - by WideRight05 - 08-05-2016, 09:26 PM
A Fundamental Question - by The Urban Sombrero - 08-05-2016, 10:27 PM

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