[TheRealThing]

But since you went there, some hold that Barton is deluded and although I have not researched him to any great extent, what I know about him is not all that far off base. And, I don't agree that Barton's ideas of separation of Church and state are all that far off base either. My studies in The Revelation, Daniel, 2Tim and others sell me on the likelihood that time is extremely short. And the basis for my understanding of the matter is geographically centered in Europe. I'm not at all convinced that the US is mentioned specifically or even in veiled terms in God's Word, which may or may not be scary.

Certainly, whatever America's fate may be, I don't see us escaping any part of judgment. What I was talking about was the fact that at one time we were the epicenter of Christian outreach, these days we are not and my contention then is that as in the case of Israel, we will suffer for turning our backs on God.