[RunItUpTheGut]

I challenged you with various points to which you did not respond with something other than a cheap shot at Ted Cruz, and this was well before Donald Trump secured enough votes to be the nominee. You have been a paragon of exactly what I have been telling TRT about with how Donald Trump's supporters have been acting. If you still feel like voting for Donald Trump after we discuss these issues, that's your decision and as I told TRT, I won't take that personally. Heck, Hoot even mentioned that in the threads. But if you don't want to discuss these issues, what's the purpose of BGR?

Regarding Hoot and TRT, I'm laying out of that one. I never have involved myself in that and I have definitely made a pledge to stay out. You're leaning more toward TRT because he agrees with your particular stance. It would be like if I leaned toward Hoot because I agree with his. Realistically, I think when the tides calm down that both will look back see things that they regret from this - I don't hold either one innocent over the other by any means, and honestly I don't see how one could. In terms of voting for Donald Trump, I'm not sure what to say about Hoot, whether there's a chance of him voting for Donald Trump. That I'm not sure of. For me personally, there is a chance, which I have stated on here. I think TRT is working overtime to try to get me aboard. :biggrin:

To break down Donald Trump, it's not as easy as going to a Donald Trump's website or an analysis of YouTube videos, both of which I have done. Trump only lists a few issues on his website, there are seven total but broken down it's only about three - four that tie into teach other. I can get a fair gauge of most candidates and where they come from, even some of the candidates that don't have voting records be it Carly Fiorina or Ben Carson. Even though they haven't been around long, you can get a good idea of what Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Christie, etc. are going to do. Carly Fiorina had several videos relating to each issue where she gave a response to a particular question raised by the media. I cannot get the same level of comfort voting for Trump, and if he won't even take a stand on this massive overreach by the Department of Education that even some of our weaker Republican governors are standing on, then that there is a red flag.

You're talking about someone that was a Democrat a decade ago, that had center-right views on gun control just a few years ago and was also for a tax on the wealthy. Absolutely, there's always room with an eloquent argument provided that, you can have an impact on my views. Obviously it takes a long time, I think, to really formulate a view. There was a real sensitive issue recently where a Republican (a moderate one at that) in the Senate addressed an issue and even though he couldn't quite get me to agree, he put a dent in the argument that I had for my position by using somewhat a libertarian stance. It's possible to influence someone views. You can't just jump blindly into a candidate as many of Trump's supporters have done. It's dangerous, and oftentimes it leads to massive disappointment - see Obama's supporters.

I know you're frustrated with Hillary. I'm frustrated too. We have the exact same frustrations with (1) the Democratic party that has gone from the party of unions and middle class to the party of liberals and special interests, and (2) the Republican party that has sent people who have been afraid to stand up to the liberal agenda for many years. Someone like Donald Trump comes along and capitalizes on this frustration. I never said you had to agree with me. TRT hasn't agreed with me and things have been fine. There are things Hoot has disagreed with me on too I'm sure, which did happen in the early stages of when Trump announced his campaign.

Look at how DeMarcus Ware has opened up more recently. I can't say he has agreed with me and I don't expect him to, but I have listened and given him a fair shake. I can do the same with you.

1. Trump has had the nomination locked up for a long time. Its why Hoot started going after him. Its been obvious for a while and anyone who was still thinking Cruz had a shot was in denial. By trashing Trump and still supporting the sinking ship, you are no different than the lunatic Bernie supporters who (im glad theyre doing it) still holding Killary back from turning her attention to the general.

2. Nothing now will change my mind on voting for Trump. A no vote is a vote for Hillary. I refuse to let that witch win without a fight. The point of BGR is to post and have fun not get into a life or death discussion on politics, which I refuse to do.

3. There is no maybes for me on this. I side with TRT and DW on all issue pertaining to Trump over that of you and hoot. Just the way it is.

4. If it is as difficult to learn about Donalds policies as you say it is, then what exactly are you arguing against? Kind of an oxymoron there...

5. Which is exactly why we need someone with no political experience. This whole thing isn't about Donald Trump. That is what you don't understand. Its a rebellion of ALL politicians no matter what there stances are. At the end of the day they are all tax payer funded politicians. I wouldn't care if there isn't a single incumbent reelected ever.

6. It doesn't matter what your level of comfort is. The alternative is Hillary and you know what her stances are. I don't agree with Donald Trump on everything but I do not agree with Hillary on anything.

7. Again, that does not matter in this election. Your alternative is Hillary. If I wanted a preacher I would go to church. I want a businessman that wants to be strong on the economy and raise our military strength. He has vowed to do both. If he fails, oh well. You know Clinton is mentally incapable of doing anything.

8. The problem with looking at it like that is restricting the actual future of what is to inevitably come. Libertarians cant make up there mind on anything. Its a cowards way out of not choosing what you actually want. You are either a conservative with some differing views or you are a moderate which is nothing short of a democrat. The democrats have liberals and psychos. That is all that's left. The actual premise of libertarian ideas are not bad, but you cant lie on two separate sides of the aisle and expect to win anything. Im a lot more closer libertarian than I am a authoritarian but theres no set in stone definition of what those words mean when it comes to politics.

9. Im not frustrated. Im completely pissed off that we share the same soil as these losers. There is no good in the democratic party. None. There is not a single democratic politician left alive today that I would help or support in anyway. If anyone else would have said what Trump has, he would have had my vote. I wouldn't have to of ever heard of him before. Trump has proven (whether he believes it or not) that there are many more people like us to the right then there are the moderates like your Bush's and Clintons.

Either way, its time for November to start heating up. I cant wait to see the adds on Benghazi, the rapist Bill, and all the other fun stuff to come. To hell with the democrats and there party. They must be defeated in November and Donald Trump will have my vote in November. Don't expect me to spend this much time on it again. Ive spoke my peace. Time to move on to the general.

P.S. I in noway proof read this or care if their are grammatical and or spelling mistakes. Im not in college anymore and this is not an essay. Just a small disclaimer for the grammar Nazi who frequents my post nicker: