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04-17-2016, 04:27 AM
TheRealThing Wrote:Incredible, I wondered how you were going to try and get out from under this one. The bottom line is that you said the voters have not one thing to do with the delegates from Colorado, and that they are not bound. Not now and not in 2012. According to the Denver Post, up until and including 2012 they were bound, and they were bound to vote for the caucus winner. Which means that as I attempted to get across to you a number of times, the Colorado GOP made a decision which intentional or not, disenfranchised the voters of that state. At any rate, I will happily admit any mistake I have made were it to be pointed out. I just have this thing about admitting the ones I haven't.You should read for comprehension, including the footnotes. In the 2012 Colorado Republican Caucuses, none of the delegates chosen to represent the state at the national convention were bound to any candidate as the result of popular votes. Delegates could voluntarily pledge support to a candidate, but if they pledged to support a candidate, then they became obligated to support the candidate until the candidate withdrew from the race, released his delegates, or failed to get nominated.
Your words; "In both 2012 and 2016 none of the Colorado delegates were bound to any candidate at the national GOP convention" which is a bit disingenuous in making the argument that Colorado voters did not figure into making that choice. Santorum didn't go, but that was the voter's choice.
Ted Cruz didn't break 50% in his home state of Texas and it's hard to see how Utah and Wyoming are exactly trend setters, does that mean he's out? Kasich didn't break 50% in his home state either.
To drive home the point that the delegates were not apportioned based on popular votes, Romney won 34.9 percent of the popular vote but had 13 pledged delegates, Santorum received 40.3 percent of the popular vote but had pledges from only 6 delegates, and Ron Paul had 5 pledged delegates on only 11.8 percent of the popular vote. Newt Gingrich received 12.8 percent of the popular votes but had zero pledged delegates. There were 12 delegates who chose not to pledge their support to any candidate.
You may take your pick of references and if your read any of the following carefully, you should realize that you were wrong on two points:
1. There was no Colorado GOP Primary in 2012. There were caucuses that year. This is a mistake that I have repeatedly pointed out to you, and your response has been to toss red herrings into the debate, while digging yourself into a deeper hole. A caucus is not a primary.
2. Delegates were not bound to candidates based on popular vote received in the 2012 caucuses. Delegates were free to voluntarily pledge themselves to candidates and 24 of 36 chose to do so. If you read the results of popular votes and the number of pledged delegates for each candidate, you will see that the delegates were not split proportionally. Had all delegates chosen to remain unpledged to any candidate, they were free to do so because they were not bound to any candidates by the rules.
2012 Colorado Republican Caucuses
United States presidential election in Colorado, 2012
2012 Republican Delegate Allocation: Colorado
BTW, Cruz tossed another shutout against Trump today in Wyoming. The score today was Cruz 14 delegates Trump 0 delegates. Trump started whining about the result before the votes were cast.
I was wondering if Trump has started whining about the 54 unbound delegates that will be selected in the Pennsylvania primary, without regard to the popular vote. Or will Mr. Trump continue to whine about the injustice of voter disenfranchisement only when he loses? A man of principle Trump is not.
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