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04-13-2016, 05:44 PM
TheRealThing Wrote:Well actually Wide, other than arguable details I don't see where Trump has been inconsistent in his stance on abortion. He says he is against it, and past that, there walks no man who can be much more specific when an interventional and morally unhinged federal government currently makes all the rules to that end. One would expect that the eventual Republican nominee would enjoy relative cooperation with the Republican held upper and lower houses of Congress; And yet, we'd be plowing new ground here, and further, the left would be howling like werewolves. It would not be easy, but I feel Trump has the chin for it.
But as to the deal with Cruz being the devil, I don't see that either. Cruz is a good candidate but he is not always truthful. Take the whiner tag that #NeverTrump, media and political, have tried to hang on Trump. Pointing out shenanigans is not whining. Only last August the Republican elites out in Colorado ended voter participation for this primary season. Why is anybody's guess but, I know what I think and the voters in Colorado who were unaware they had been disenfranchised as the result are livid. Cruz who hangs his hat on being a constitutionalist should oppose such in my mind, but he has used the events in Colorado in which he masterfully aced Trump, as a vehicle to mock and berate him. Now, we're talking about a guy in whom the voter has bested Cruz by very nearly 2 million votes here. So, all of those who voted for Trump are incensed about it and very rightfully so.
Those who have ventured a defense of Mr Trump are not Cruz haters or Cruz opponents. When one stoops to scrape up mud to sling with one hand while flashing a white glove on the other, he is still a mud slinger. That's my problem with all of this. Most of the Trump bashing comes from the very ones who are under threat from his policies, and that certainly includes the establishment and those who have been riding for decades on the tax payer gravy train.
Relating to your first paragraph, I do agree that he has been consistent for the most part when it comes to his abortion position. He is pro-life with the exception of rape and incest. That hasnât been my main issue with him on this with the exception of how he backed off of his statement that women who have an abortion should be punished.
Watch how Donald Trump masterfully defends his immigration policies. There is an interview with Katy Tur on YouTube (about 30 minutes long) in which she presses him on immigration and ends up getting torn up. When asked about immigration, he doesnât always give a response in the fashion he tore up Katy Tur, but you can tell he is set on his view and that he is fully confident with himself in that area. Trump has certainly made some âcontroversialâ or âbigotedâ statements that the media would have loved nothing more than to see him retract. He stood strong by his statements and did not budge. He did not do the same thing relating to abortion.
That same confidence, pose, and toughness does not come out when it comes to talking about abortion. Oftentimes Trump will just claim that heâs pro-life, and he often will not provide much of a defense on his abortion views. He rarely brings the issue up at his rallies. Itâs mostly about immigration or the economy.
Itâs not that I donât believe Donald Trump, TRT. I canât tell what he actually thinks, but am leery of the situation because of the Governor in WV that ran as pro-life and then betrayed his voting base while in office. I will give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt here though, but I just donât see where heâs really going to make a major impact on that issue. It seems to be an issue more on the backburner, one that he would give up when selecting a judge compared to an issue that is more important to him.
Donald Trump is very, very smart and also sharp in quick thinking situations. He had to know about those rules in Colorado and whichever Dakota state it was. Iâm surprised he didnât go speak at the convention. I really think he would have picked up some delegates had he done that, especially in Colorado. I canât help but wonder if there is some kind of method here that he is using to make this backfire on Cruz.
The bottom line is, the situation with the voting mentioned above is a lose-lose for this election. Cruz or Trump, whichever one won those states, would have happily taken the delegates with the one who lost grumbling about the situation. Combine that with the first/second ballot process at the nomination, I just think this whole thing is going to turn into a disaster with the two bases divided. I donât see either one being able to reconcile that difference in time for the November elections.
This is why I mentioned that I see this outcome being disasterous no matter who wins. Sad to say, there is now a good chance we may be under a third term of âdemocratic socialismâ very soon.
Lastly, concerning the comment I made about Cruz being the devil again. Iâm not quite abroad on the never Trump movement. But when it comes to the Trump supporters bashing Cruz to no end, Iâm not talking about so much on here, but moreso on other social media outlets. Facebook, Twitter, and others. I follow Donald Trump. There is an occasional smart-mouth comment from a Cruz supporter, but for the most part there isnât a whole lot. Cruzâs page is filled with snark attacks that heâs establishment and other things that Donald Trump has said.
Relating to the media and political never Trump movement, I agree that the media, the liberal sources, are biased against both Trump and Cruz. This is the worst possible scenario for them. I can agree that some conservative analysts (Glenn Beck â although he did step up big and ask for forgiveness for his role in this mess) have disappointed in their relentless attack against Trump, but the pro-Trump movement has been just as bad. Some of this relentless Cruz bashing has come from the likes of Ann Coulter, Wayne Dupree, and others who were all about Ted Cruz just a few months ago. If they think Trump is a better candidate, okay. But to just get on and bash a candidate that they supported heavily just a few months ago, that heavily damages their credibility.
I know itâs tougher when for analysts when it comes to Donald Trump because this time last year nobody considered him a serious contender to win. Thus, you donât have as many recorded opinions on Donald Trump as you do Ted Cruz.
I know you donât think Cruz is the devil and that you have actually mentioned that you have preferred him to Trump. Agree or disagree, the bottom line is that as always, you have responded to me with succinct detail. For what itâs worth, TRT, I agree with you concerning the voting process in Colorado in that it needs to be changed. I think we can save some trouble if we made this a one day national vote, but thatâs a different discussion for a different day. I also donât disagree with you that Cruz has had faults throughout this campaign. I think every candidate should be ashamed of themselves, Republican or Democrat. This campaign is every bit as nasty as the 2012 election was and unfortunately I just donât see things getting better.
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