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Republican Debate
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Hoot Gibson Wrote:Trump will depress conservative turnout because so many of us are fed up with holding our noses every four years to vote for a RINO. Trump will tack to the left during the general election and maybe he will pick up enough support from liberals and independents to win the general election. Maybe "know" is too strong of a word, but this has been the pattern of every election since at least 1992. I am confident that Trump will not maintain his conservative act after he has sewn up the nomination.

Trump is already struggling to stay in character as a "conservative" Republican and the first caucus has not even been held. Once he has the nomination in hand, there will be nothing to constrain Trump from pandering to liberals because he will not lose many Republicans to Bernie or Hillary.

This election is a golden opportunity for Republicans and it would be a shame if they nominate a liberal to run in a campaign that would be very difficult for a true conservative to lose.

Do yourself a favor and check out Trump's record prior to June and then ask yourself how much different his positions were before he started considering entering a presidential campaign in 2012 compared to those of Hillary and Obama.

I can understand settling for the lesser of two evils. I did so in 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2012. In 1992 I cast a protest vote for Perot. I promised myself that I will not be forced to choose between evils again after watching Romney hand the last election to Obama. I am going to keep that promise.


Understood. But when your team is behind with time on the clock, folks usually don't want to see their QB necessarily throwing a bomb on a third and short. I will settle therefore for the conservative voter's rise, and if that rise finds that we have elected Trump, so be it. I just cannot subscribe to your interpretation of Trump's motives or predictions as to how he would govern. And that is not to say that you aren't correct. It's just that I don't see things in that light.

But for the moment, let's say you are indeed spot on with your analysis. If he is smart enough to have seen an opportunity to become President as a liberal playing the role of a conservative, he would have initiated his plan to do so knowing he was running against a host of high power Republicans and ultimately there would have been Hillary looming as his inevitable foe. Just about everybody on this forum and across the various media venues I frequent, have been saying Hillary had the Presidency practically in the bag. And they've been saying that up until very recently. So, if this really is about him wanting to become the most powerful man in the world and he doesn't actually care that much about fixing America, one would have thought he'd have picked out a stream with out so much white water to fight against.

This especially in light of the fact that as the pundits have been alluding, Cruz and Trump are vying for the same constituency. That being right wing conservatives, because he surely never suspected he could win over that many Hillary supporters. And then there is the fact that he has unabashedly alienated what ever Muslim population we have. No, he's managed to hit on the hot topics and who in their right mind would have ever supposed that so many would rise up in support of his anti-PC opinions? And frankly, he's right. The politically correct insanities have been pushing the conservative's buttons until now, we see a willingness to rise up in opposition. In any event, he needs votes to get elected and he hasn't shrunk back much lately that I have seen. From the wall on the border to a freeze on immigration, he has not blinked.

I want to see God restored to His rightful place in the hearts and minds of Americans. But in all honesty, Mr Trump is likely to be able to get us only part of the way home. In saying the voter has risen, I mean that they want the America they used to have back again, and they think Trump can either deliver, or give a meaningful start to that process. So, is he a genuine conservative? I believe he is genuine to the extent he is genuinely alarmed to realize the horrors of the "transformation", and he wants to get us back on course. And I believe that in the back of his mind, he believes that the Reagan-esque successes of governance seen with his own eyes, looks to be more appealing than the tax and spend tomfoolery of the left. And frankly, it is more than likely that we will need a guy who is old enough to remember America's glory days in order to focus our efforts to get back.

Lastly, it is credible to think that the conservatives of the past governed in the conservative vein because they thought that to be better for the country, while at the personal level they may have felt differently. Trump has said things in the past that I doubt he would want to be a part of proliferating once he assumes responsibility. Inherently, I believe all men know the truth. And having received the call, many a man has straightened up to fly right given the weight of responsibility.
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Republican Debate - by TheRealThing - 01-15-2016, 06:33 AM
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