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10-21-2015, 12:46 AM
ronald reagan Wrote:RealThing,
Thank you for the long reply and addressing a few of the points I made. I've always enjoyed reading your thoughts, and have found that you respectfully reply with at least a fact or two to back up your ideas. Now... Let me respond in the same manner.
Trump is a RINO. Republicans don't donate tens of thousands of dollars to democrats and give them front row seating at their wedding, as well as make statements like, "Democrats grow the economy better." "Hillary has been an exceptional Senator." "On Healthcare, I agree with democrats." Every view I made a point about in my previous post, is a liberal view. Trump held/holds them.
Listen... If you want to get into a Trump said, and trump believes debate... I promise you, it'd be best if you just stayed quiet. Besides the last few months of his life, he has been a liberal -- and in fact, very liberal.
Healthcare is absolutely a part of American life and the federal government. Trump however wants to increase this role with universal healthcare. He felt Obamacare didn't go far enough. He supports the universal care that is offered in canada and great Britain. .
As far as his tax plan is concerned: Yes, its definitely a Reagan Style, and Laffer supported plan. But there hasn't been a conservative economist yet able to show the numbers as being neutral or increasing revenue. All the projections show trillions of dollars in new debt. Because the fact is, just as you state that healthcare is forever a government entity... in all actuality, ALL programs are. How in the world can trump get the budget cuts needed to balance his tax plans revenue loss, when today dual republican majority can't even get a few hundred million cut from Planned Parenthood? Its not the president that is blocking it... Its the failure of the Senate. Do you really think that the trillions in revenue loss will be cut from the budget giving the state of Congress? Nothing will change in 2016 either. Except, democrats may take back over the senate and the house will lose a few seats for republicans.
Reagan said, "The nearest thing to eternal life that we have seen -- is a government program." Trump will not reverse this course.
As far as Reagan's plan increasing revenue, yes it did. But not by much. When you factor in the inflation rate during his tenure, revenue increased by about 20% over 8 years. This was in part, because of his year after year tax increases in 82, 83, 84, and 85. This alone was about $150 billion in revenue. Taking that out of the picture, revenue increased by about 10%. Much less than spending did.
I don't have alot of time to spend on this post. But I feel like if you posted a few facts here and there, and not emotions, then posed some questions for me -- I'd be able to respond much better. Its difficult to respond to a post that has most of its 'facts' based upon 'feeling'. Give me some hardcore numbers, policies, and ideas... mixed with a few questions, and I'll help you see what Trump really is. A RINO at the very best. A liberal democrat at the worst.
Well thanks very much for your thoughtful response it would seem that we mostly agree however, I am not much interested in asking you questions, as I have my own points of view on all of these matters. Nor am I interested in soliciting or entertaining a psychological profile from you on my behalf. And as I have made mention to previously but am not adverse to highlighting once more just for you, there is an abundance of material on-line regarding Reagan's Presidency. I disagree with much of it as in the case of Obama, who recently attempted to cast himself as a modern day Reagan in an attempt to justify the Iranian Nuke Deal. In fact, lefties across the board have been busy trying to turn our beloved Ronnie into one of their own for some time now. Not to mention an overall subversion of the traditional values upon which this nation was founded. I was there, and I saw what happened so I ain't buyin it.
At any rate let us cut through the fog just a bit. You can no more back up your assertions which basically state that Trump is a liberal in sheep's clothing waiting to jump out at the world at the inaugural, than I can to refute them. It would seem that you feel strongly in your contempt for him. However well that contempt may prove to be placed, I know he speaks extemporaneously much of the time and I think if he had as much to hide as you suggest, he'd have gaffed by now in epic fashion. I also know that Republican leadership has transformed to some degree to become a watered down version of the Democratic Party.
We live in the day of the paradox. Recent inroads achieved by the advancement of the liberal's socialist, anti-Christian agenda, is no doubt a serious matter. And yet Republicans, who no matter how articulately manage to frame the issues, still seem powerless to act. Therefore from the conservative's perspective Walt Kelly may have put it best when he wrote; "We have met the enemy and he is us." I keep hearing the pundits and anchors saying that America is tired of the gridlock in Congress and big government shenanigans and of course they are right. But, voters like not being lied to more than they despise the Potomac bob and weave. And that's why Trump is leading the polls. If you can figure out some way to get Republicans to quit equivocating, I'd be all for it. But for now, the biggest threat I can think of if the vote.
Trump is one of the few I can listen to and not come away with the taste of monkey puke in my mouth. The others being Cruz and to a somewhat lesser degree, Marco Rubio. The Republicans will put forth a nominee and we will choose between that nominee and whoever the Democrat turns out to be. I get one vote and I can tell you right now, if it comes down to Trump against any of the Dems, I will vote for Trump.
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