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10-15-2015, 03:28 PM
This is THE ronald reagan.
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TheRealThing,
Lets be clear about a few things. I agree with Laffer on his idea that in certain cases, lowering rates can bring about higher revenues through increased GDP growth. But there hasn't been a single organization, person, or study that shows the Trump plan will do this. Lets take FactCheck.org as a quick example.
-Is not revenue neutral.
-Decreases revenue about about 10 trillion over the next decade.
-Removes responsibility from about 73 million people, by giving them 0 tax liability.
-drastically lowers taxes on every other group of people, including at 60% corporate tax cut.
-Increases the deficit by about 9 trillion over the decade.
Now, read this very carefully. Laffer supports the tax plan because it will cause a moderate to large increase in GDP growth. Currently it is in the mid 2% annualized range, while the trump plan could create a sustained growth of around 3.8-4.0% (which doesn't take into account higher inflation as a result of rapidly increasing deficits). That's a good growth rate, no one is arguing against that. But Laffer, is a tax and growth expert... NOT a budget deficit expert. His focus is on lower taxes and higher GDP growth. Not paying down the debt.
Trump has consistently shown he is a liberal, admitted he is a liberal, thought that the democrats handle the economy better with their policies, supported and financed liberals, proposed 5 trillion dollar tax hikes, and still to this day is in favor of universal healthcare.
A real plan for tax reform doesn't just lower rates and remove people from the roles. It does the following.
1)Simplifies.
2)Flattens.
3)Broadens.
The Trump plan partly accomplishes 1 of the 3. And Reverses the other 2.
I urge you, stay open minded and don't be a cynic. And whats the difference between a cynic and a skeptic? A skeptic doesn't believe something will happen, or is happening. A cynic, continues to not believe even after the evidence is presented. The evidence is clear... Trump is no conservative.
He..
-Support funding for Planned Parenthood.
-Supported largest tax hike in American History.
-Is against the flat-tax, and like progressive taxation.
-Believes the wealthy should be penalized for their hard work and success.
-Was against the Iraq war and removing Saddam.
-Is against reforming SS and Medicare.
-Is for Affirmative Action
-Has always been pro-choice, but suddenly "changed his views" as a candidate.
-Is for the assault weapons ban.
-wants longer wait periods to buy guns.
-doesn't believe that "supply side" economics (your boy Laffer's baby) works.
-Supports hate crime legislation.
-Is against free-trade.
-admits that he has "bought" politicians.
-believes in campaign finance reform, limiting free speech.
-believes vaccines cause autism.
-is against missle defense.
-says he may run as independent, rather than lose as a republican.
-believes in the sanctity of marriage so much, he has married 3 times himself!
-john mccain not a hero, because he was captured.
and again, the list goes on.
The worst part of it all. Donald Trump left the republican party in 1999, became a Democrat in 2001 (based upon his registration), and remained one throughout the presidency of George Bush.... only switching back in late 2009.
My questions to you is........
How on earth could you support someone for president, who is a RINO? What DO you like about this man? And how do you feel about a tax plan that increases the deficit about trillions and removes 73 million people from responsiblity for our nation?
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TheRealThing,
Lets be clear about a few things. I agree with Laffer on his idea that in certain cases, lowering rates can bring about higher revenues through increased GDP growth. But there hasn't been a single organization, person, or study that shows the Trump plan will do this. Lets take FactCheck.org as a quick example.
-Is not revenue neutral.
-Decreases revenue about about 10 trillion over the next decade.
-Removes responsibility from about 73 million people, by giving them 0 tax liability.
-drastically lowers taxes on every other group of people, including at 60% corporate tax cut.
-Increases the deficit by about 9 trillion over the decade.
Now, read this very carefully. Laffer supports the tax plan because it will cause a moderate to large increase in GDP growth. Currently it is in the mid 2% annualized range, while the trump plan could create a sustained growth of around 3.8-4.0% (which doesn't take into account higher inflation as a result of rapidly increasing deficits). That's a good growth rate, no one is arguing against that. But Laffer, is a tax and growth expert... NOT a budget deficit expert. His focus is on lower taxes and higher GDP growth. Not paying down the debt.
Trump has consistently shown he is a liberal, admitted he is a liberal, thought that the democrats handle the economy better with their policies, supported and financed liberals, proposed 5 trillion dollar tax hikes, and still to this day is in favor of universal healthcare.
A real plan for tax reform doesn't just lower rates and remove people from the roles. It does the following.
1)Simplifies.
2)Flattens.
3)Broadens.
The Trump plan partly accomplishes 1 of the 3. And Reverses the other 2.
I urge you, stay open minded and don't be a cynic. And whats the difference between a cynic and a skeptic? A skeptic doesn't believe something will happen, or is happening. A cynic, continues to not believe even after the evidence is presented. The evidence is clear... Trump is no conservative.
He..
-Support funding for Planned Parenthood.
-Supported largest tax hike in American History.
-Is against the flat-tax, and like progressive taxation.
-Believes the wealthy should be penalized for their hard work and success.
-Was against the Iraq war and removing Saddam.
-Is against reforming SS and Medicare.
-Is for Affirmative Action
-Has always been pro-choice, but suddenly "changed his views" as a candidate.
-Is for the assault weapons ban.
-wants longer wait periods to buy guns.
-doesn't believe that "supply side" economics (your boy Laffer's baby) works.
-Supports hate crime legislation.
-Is against free-trade.
-admits that he has "bought" politicians.
-believes in campaign finance reform, limiting free speech.
-believes vaccines cause autism.
-is against missle defense.
-says he may run as independent, rather than lose as a republican.
-believes in the sanctity of marriage so much, he has married 3 times himself!
-john mccain not a hero, because he was captured.
and again, the list goes on.
The worst part of it all. Donald Trump left the republican party in 1999, became a Democrat in 2001 (based upon his registration), and remained one throughout the presidency of George Bush.... only switching back in late 2009.
My questions to you is........
How on earth could you support someone for president, who is a RINO? What DO you like about this man? And how do you feel about a tax plan that increases the deficit about trillions and removes 73 million people from responsiblity for our nation?
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Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Stardust - 08-10-2015, 05:02 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Granny Bear - 08-10-2015, 05:07 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by 64SUR - 08-10-2015, 05:36 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Granny Bear - 08-10-2015, 05:58 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Hoot Gibson - 08-10-2015, 10:50 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by 64SUR - 08-10-2015, 11:51 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 08-10-2015, 11:54 PM
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Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 08-11-2015, 03:39 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Granny Bear - 08-11-2015, 01:15 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 08-11-2015, 04:25 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 08-11-2015, 04:36 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Demarcus ware - 08-11-2015, 06:17 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Granny Bear - 08-11-2015, 06:29 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 08-11-2015, 11:47 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 08-12-2015, 11:26 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 08-22-2015, 05:40 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Hoot Gibson - 08-22-2015, 03:48 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 08-22-2015, 07:22 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by 64SUR - 08-25-2015, 01:03 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 08-25-2015, 03:37 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Granny Bear - 08-25-2015, 04:29 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Demarcus ware - 08-25-2015, 04:39 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 08-25-2015, 11:55 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 08-26-2015, 06:04 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 08-26-2015, 06:10 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by jetpilot - 08-26-2015, 07:39 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by jetpilot - 08-26-2015, 07:43 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Hoot Gibson - 08-26-2015, 09:12 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 08-27-2015, 03:21 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 10-14-2015, 01:33 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by ronald reagan - 10-14-2015, 05:22 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 10-14-2015, 10:34 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Ring'Em Up - 10-15-2015, 03:10 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by ronald reagan - 10-15-2015, 03:28 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by ronald reagan - 10-15-2015, 03:29 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by WideRight05 - 10-15-2015, 03:36 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 10-16-2015, 02:50 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by ronald reagan - 10-20-2015, 03:11 PM
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Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-09-2015, 12:31 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 12-09-2015, 12:46 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 12-09-2015, 12:46 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Demarcus ware - 12-09-2015, 01:46 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-09-2015, 03:51 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-09-2015, 03:55 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-09-2015, 04:11 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 12-09-2015, 04:55 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-09-2015, 05:43 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 12-09-2015, 04:54 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Demarcus ware - 12-09-2015, 07:47 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-09-2015, 08:25 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by WideRight05 - 12-09-2015, 08:40 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Demarcus ware - 12-09-2015, 09:45 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Demarcus ware - 12-09-2015, 09:48 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 12-10-2015, 01:31 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-10-2015, 02:06 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Demarcus ware - 12-12-2015, 06:57 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 12-13-2015, 07:37 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Hoot Gibson - 12-13-2015, 04:20 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-13-2015, 08:34 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Hoot Gibson - 12-13-2015, 11:49 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-14-2015, 03:06 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 12-14-2015, 03:07 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Hoot Gibson - 12-14-2015, 03:45 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Demarcus ware - 12-14-2015, 04:04 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 12-14-2015, 04:47 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Demarcus ware - 12-14-2015, 05:41 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-14-2015, 07:35 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 12-14-2015, 08:08 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Demarcus ware - 12-14-2015, 08:24 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-14-2015, 09:12 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Hoot Gibson - 12-15-2015, 12:42 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by doubledown - 12-15-2015, 01:30 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Hoot Gibson - 12-15-2015, 01:48 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by doubledown - 12-15-2015, 02:27 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Hoot Gibson - 12-15-2015, 02:40 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-15-2015, 03:17 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Hoot Gibson - 12-15-2015, 03:35 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-15-2015, 05:50 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Hoot Gibson - 12-15-2015, 10:21 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-15-2015, 11:56 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 12-16-2015, 01:19 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-16-2015, 03:20 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Demarcus ware - 12-16-2015, 04:39 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 12-16-2015, 05:49 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Demarcus ware - 12-16-2015, 06:01 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-16-2015, 06:31 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Demarcus ware - 12-16-2015, 07:56 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-16-2015, 08:20 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 12-16-2015, 03:48 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-16-2015, 05:16 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Hoot Gibson - 12-16-2015, 06:19 PM
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Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-16-2015, 07:08 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Demarcus ware - 12-16-2015, 09:41 PM
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Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-16-2015, 10:54 PM
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Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Spirit100 - 12-17-2015, 08:22 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 12-18-2015, 02:50 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by 64SUR - 12-18-2015, 04:46 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-18-2015, 06:11 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by RunItUpTheGut - 12-18-2015, 03:30 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by WideRight05 - 12-18-2015, 05:08 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Demarcus ware - 12-18-2015, 05:11 PM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-18-2015, 08:23 PM
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Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Demarcus ware - 12-18-2015, 10:43 PM
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Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by TheRealThing - 12-22-2015, 08:11 AM
Trump, the political hurricane, still rages - by Hoot Gibson - 12-22-2015, 12:48 PM
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