[TheRealThing]

All I named were instrumental in the shaping of this country at the beginning, and ALL I named had religious, or non religious beliefs, that differ from yours, hence, the "As for religion". The ones I named were instrumental in the starting, and shaping of our country, and they were at odds with your religion.

My faith is my constitutional right guaranteed to me under the 1st Amendment, and evidently the bane of your existence. But, let's back all this up to where you started changing subjects with every post. First you said that marriage is a right. Citing the Constitution, I pointed out that it is actually an institution ordained of God, that reasonable Americans have observed since our inception back in 1776. But, nowhere is marriage mentioned in the Constitution. And in addition, that according to the Declaration of Independence our rights were given to us by God, not the government and cited the text to prove it. That doesn't fit your narrative so you changed the subject.

To marriage licenses as I recall, and when I gave the correct answer to that you again changed the subject falsely claiming that the KY Ban on Gay Marriage was overturned by the "courts." Which of course is far from true as the judge who ruled will see his unfortunately short sighted ruling rightly go through the appellate system. Now in full fledged dodge ball mode, you changed the subject yet again to property rights.

From there our journey through the eddies of circular logic returned to the Constitution and it's framers which, turned out to be just the lead-in to another subject change. That being yet another personal attack surrounding my faith, which you attempted to substantiate by dragging in Allen, Paine, Franklin, Washington and Monroe. An argument I reject our of hand hence, Franklin's signature is affixed to the Declaration of Independence which again, clearly states that man's rights are unalienable and given to him by his Creator.

To wit, you never countered with anything of substance. So, if it is your intention to stay in circle"ville" again this evening, I insist we at least go to the right for a while. nicker: