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10-31-2012, 03:55 PM
I know this an opinion column, but this guy makes good points. Also, the first comment you see at the bottom is a good one.
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Quote:The attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi has become a political football in the presidential campaign, with all the grandstanding and misinformation that entails. But Fox News has raised some questions about the attack that deserve a clearer answer from the Obama administration.http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/d...story.html
Foxâs Jennifer Griffin reported Friday that CIA officers in Benghazi had been told to âstand downâ when they wanted to deploy from their base at the annex to repel the attack on the consulate, about a mile away. Fox also reported that the CIA officers requested military support when the annex came under fire later that night but that their request had been denied.
The Benghazi tragedy was amplified by Charles Woods, the father of slain CIA contractor Tyrone Woods. He told Foxâs Sean Hannity that White House officials who didnât authorize military strikes to save the embattled CIA annex were âcowardsâ and âare guilty of murdering my son.â
The Fox âstand downâ story prompted a strong rebuttal from the CIA: âWe can say with confidence that the agency reacted quickly to aid our colleagues during that terrible evening in Benghazi. Moreover, no one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate.â
So what did happen in Benghazi on the night of Sept. 11, when Woods, Ambassador Christopher Stevens and two others Americans were killed? The best way to establish the facts would be a detailed, unclassified timeline of events; officials say they are preparing one, and that it may be released later this week. Thatâs a must, even in the volatile final week of the campaign. In the meantime, hereâs a summary of some of the basic issues that need to be clarified.
First, on the question of whether Woods and others were made to wait when they asked permission to move out immediately to try to rescue those at the consulate. The answer seems to be yes, but not for very long. There was a brief, initial delay â two people said it was about 20 minutes â before Woods was allowed to leave. One official said Woods and at least one other CIA colleague were âin the car revving the engine,â waiting for permission to go. Woods died about six hours later, after he returned to the annex.
The main reason for the delay, several sources said, was that CIA officials were making urgent contact with a Libyan militia, known as the February 17 Brigade, which was the closest thing to an organized security force in Benghazi. The United States depends on local security to protect U.S. diplomatic facilities everywhere, and officials wanted to coordinate any response to the consulate attack. After this delay, Woods and his colleague proceeded to the consulate.
Hereâs my question: Was it wise to depend on a Libyan militia that clearly wasnât up to the job? Could it have made a difference for those under attack at the consulate if Woods had moved out as soon as he was, in one officialâs words, âsaddled and readyâ?
Second, why didnât the United States send armed drones or other air assistance to Benghazi immediately? This one is harder to answer. The CIA did dispatch a quick-reaction force that night from Tripoli, with about eight people, but it had trouble at first reaching the compound. One of its members, Glen Doherty, died along with Woods when a mortar hit the roof of the annex about 4 a.m.
What more could have been done? A Joint Special Operations Command team was moved that night to Sigonella air base in Sicily, for quick deployment to Benghazi or any of the other U.S. facilities in danger that night across North Africa. Armed drones could also have been sent. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta summarized last Thursday the administrationâs decision to opt for caution: âYou donât deploy forces into harmâs way without knowing whatâs going on.â
Looking back, it may indeed have been wise not to bomb targets in Libya that night. Given the uproar in the Arab world, this might have been the equivalent of pouring gasoline on a burning fire. But the anguish of Woodsâs father is understandable: His sonâs life might have been saved by a more aggressive response. The Obama administration needs to level with the country about why it made its decisions.
A final, obvious point: The âfog of battleâ that night was dense not just in Benghazi but in Cairo, Tunis and elsewhere. U.S. officials needed better intelligence. Thatâs the toughest problem to address, but the most important.
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Quote:kdawgSW
3:39 PM EDT
When Americans were chasing Bin Laden through Afghanistan and into Tora Bora, the US forces gave control to Afghans to let then do the final capture or kill of Bin Laden. The strategy did not work. And, how many Americans have died in Afghanistan since then because of this military blunder and rarely does anyone question it? We've spent more time questioning this Benghazi incident far more than this previous event of far greater significance.
I believe that when all is said and done, we will find out it was the same mistake for both incidents: An inappropriate strategy given the circumstances at hand that could only be realized after the fact.
Also, no one is asking the obvious question: What is the survival value for a standing president to intentionally allow an ambassador to die in a terrorist attack in an election year? Answer: There isn't any. We can spend tax payer dollars to find out the truth, and we should, but the notion that we are going to find anything other than a strategic error is absurd, and jumping to conclusions is no help.
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What Happened in the Benghazi Attack? - by Deathstar 80 - 10-29-2012, 01:23 PM
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