[charlie22]

When Bush took office it was 1.30-45, then went to well over 3.00 before settling back down for the Winter of the election. I paid 4.59 for diesel in Michigan while Bush was in office. Why aren't you telling about the 3.00+ gas prices during Bush's term? Usual half-truths from the right.


The numbers are 20,000(Canada's figures,) or 4500 by other surveys. That's during construction, then the jobs will be gone. BTW, since when is the right concerned about union jobs, because that is who will run that line? Pipeliners Local 798 out of Tulsa, OK run all major lines in the US. There are no permanent jobs in this pipeline. Look at the map(http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/sho...tcount=22) in the other thread, and tell me why they can't tie onto their existing(2010) pipeline somewhere in Kansas or Missouri, then head south. Why do they have to run a brand new line across that waterway, only to tie into the existing one on the other side of the water?

We have surplus gas right now.

They might be temporary jobs but aren't all construction related jobs all temporary jobs? Surely you aren't meaning to de-value the importance of contruction jobs to the construction workers, their families that depend on them and the local economies benefitted by the contruction paychecks being spent.

We very well may have a gas surplus right now, but when the economies in the US, Europe, etc. recover there won't be a surplus and gas prices will shoot the roof if we don't have greater supply capacity. Build the blooming pipeline; provide jobs for those construction workers; and have the supply capacity to meet the demand when the economy recovers.

Put aside the argument as to whether the pipeline will or will not decrease the price of gas in the US. There is another, I think more important reason to build it. Frankly I love the idea we are currently exporting gas. That's not a reason not to build the pipeline; it's a reason to build it! The more products, good and services we can export, the better as such will help off set the huge trade deficit. A trade deficit is very bad for America. It means more dollars, more wealth is leaving the country than is coming into it. Eventually that causes big problems for the US. Think of dollars in an economy as water in the bucket. If more water leaves the bucket than is placed in it, the bucket goes dry. Water is essential; so is wealth in an economy. Every barrel of gas we export means some other country is sending their wealth to the US, where it can be spent on US jobs or reinvested in more job producing businesses. Heck, even if the money is just distributed as dividends to the shareholders of the refinery companies, it ends up benefitting the US economy in some way. Shareholders buy things with their dividends, hopefully American made things. Shareholders use those dividends to make their own business investments. Or heaven forbid they place them in their savings accounts, which the banks then use to make business loans to companies wanting to expand or start up. It doesn't matter where it goes, it eventually greats jobs and sloshes around the US economy. So if for that reason and that reason alone, build the blasted pipeline. If there is a spill and some pretty areas of the country get dirty for a while until it's cleaned up, so be it. Remember all the doom and gloom concerning the total devastation that was going to occur along the Gulf shore? Been to the Gulf lately? It's not perfect yet, but it's recovered very nicely.

If President Obama doesn't reverse this decision it won't surprise me to see the Chinese built a huge refinery in Canada and export the gas to China or other parts of the world (and won't it just frost our little backsides when demand gets so high that we are paying the Chinese a King's ransom to buy the gas that we could have produced if the pipeline had gone through).