[TheRealThing]

When Bush took office it was 1.30-45, then went to well over 3.00 before settling back down for the Winter of the election. I paid 4.59 for diesel in Michigan while Bush was in office. Why aren't you telling about the 3.00+ gas prices during Bush's term? Usual half-truths from the right.


The numbers are 20,000(Canada's figures,) or 4500 by other surveys. That's during construction, then the jobs will be gone. BTW, since when is the right concerned about union jobs, because that is who will run that line? Pipeliners Local 798 out of Tulsa, OK run all major lines in the US. There are no permanent jobs in this pipeline. Look at the map(http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/sho...tcount=22) in the other thread, and tell me why they can't tie onto their existing(2010) pipeline somewhere in Kansas or Missouri, then head south. Why do they have to run a brand new line across that waterway, only to tie into the existing one on the other side of the water?

We have surplus gas right now.

Agreed, and you just blew a lot of it. If we have a surplus of gasoline right now why is it so high? There isn't one misrepresented fact that I am aware of in my post. For the record, I am union and have been since 1966. Their are always conflicting job numbers on matters like this, where liberals oppose it due to environmental arguments. The EPA has already regulated the coal, oil and gas industry ad nauseum. Saying that, there may well be some way to make the pipeline route more practical. The problem is that instead of helping get the pipeline, the government is stalling or in this case stopping it from happening. Isn't that what they keep saying? The federal government can help make life better? If it is a question of the route let's fix it and get going.

Environmentalists have been pushing the panic button for years and fuel prices have risen unneccessarily high because of their speculated concerns. You got to admit, from concerns about the snail darter to imagined environmental disasters, as depicted by the recent rash of movies coming out of Hollywood, are dubious threats. Technology, engineering advances, construction practices, and oversight are tops in the world right here in the United States. Nobody does it better. For instance, in the case of hydraulic frakking used to release trapped natural gas from subterranean rock structures. These structures are more than a mile below the water table. When drilling a well, particular attention must be paid to how the steel casing is set and cement the casing in place. When this is done properly, the actual process of hydraulic fracturing does not pose a threat to groundwater supplies because it typically takes place more than a mile below groundwater supplies. A recent DOE panel recognized this in its report.

By all means let's be careful but, we should keep moving. The following is a quote by Rober Rapier---"Like many of you, I have been following the debate over the proposed Keystone XL pipeline that would bring crude from the oil sands of Canada to refineries in the U.S. I am on mailing lists covering both sides of the issue, and based on some of the e-mails I get it seems that many people don’t realize that we already have pipelines crisscrossing the U.S. I get the impression that some people feel that it would be unprecedented to lay an oil pipeline across the country. But below is a map showing the location of the major oil and gas pipelines in the U.S" It's worth the time to take a look at a map of the Ogallala Aquifer which shows existing pipeline crossings in the region in question.

LINK---http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/2011/10/18/newsflash-pipelines-are-everywhere/

Like most people when I thought about a pipeline crossing Nebraska, I envisioned one pipeline crossing the state on virgin and undisturbed prairie land. The truth is there are hundreds of lines already crossing the Ogallala Aquifer. For some reason pasting the link is proving hard to do, if I can get it to post I will do it later.