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11-27-2011, 06:31 PM
Apparently some of the organizers couldn't find any of this research I've been able to track down since Wednesday night (see below, it's lengthy). But to review:
1) NCAA Rule does NOT effect football finals this weekend at WKU, Two REGULAR-SEASON Rupp events, the LIT at Bellarmine (Bellarmine is NCAA Division-II) or the boys' sweet 16. Plenty of high school teams will still get to play in Rupp this season.
2) The Friday-Sunday "Rumble In Rupp" was disallowed for two reasons. One, because it is a preseason event NOT recognized by the KHSAA as a scholastic event. Two, because of Findlay Prep's involvement. For scholastic events, schools cannot be paid travel, hotel, food, appearance fee, etc. So you really think Findlay was coming all the way from Vegas to play a scrimmage game for nothing in return?
3) The email quote and the post on Bleid Sports' web site about the rule going into effect after 10 P.M. WEDNESDAY were 100 PERCENT FALSE. As proved below MULTIPLE times.
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1) Found this on a California AAU site from MAY:
Friday, May 6, 2011
NEW GUIDELINES FOR EVENT OPERATORS
Dear Non-Athletes, District Directors & Event Operators,
This is to inform each of you that the NCAA passed legislation that could affect how you conduct events.
Men's Basketball - Use of Division I Campus Facilities Update ? Proposal No. 2009-100 version A was discussed by the NCAA Board of Directors and adopted with a 60-day override period. This legislation would prohibit an institution [including any institutional department (e.g., athletics, recreational/intramural)] from hosting, sponsoring or conducting a non-scholastic basketball practice or competition in which men's basketball prospective student-athletes participate on its campus or at an off-campus facility regularly used by the institution for practice and/or competition by any of the institution's sport programs. This legislation is effective immediately; however, a contract signed before October 29, 2009, may be honored. Institutions will continue to have the opportunity to host non-institutional camps or clinics during the months of June, July and August and the opportunity to host basketball competition that is part of state multisport events. Questions should be directed to NCAA Academic and Membership Affairs (AMA) at 317/917-6222. AMA is knowledgeable on bylaws in all three divisions and, unlike other NCAA staff members, is permitted to provide interpretations of those bylaws.
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2) Here's the Bob Gibbons Tournament moving (from Duke, UNC, Wake, NC State) in MAY:
http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/tag/bob-gibbons/
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3) Here's an official NCAA-site article from JULY 5:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...l+proposal
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4) Here's one from SEPT. 6:
http://sportscommissions.wordpress.com/2...-the-ncaa/
"Legislation is in place to regulate the use of on campus basketball facilities. At present, boys (or men’s as described by the NCAA) basketball is subject to new restrictions on use. Virtually identical legislation covering girls/women’s basketball is on its way to implementation.
In general, the legislation now prohibits the use of on campus basketball facilities for non-scholastic boys/men’s basketball events or practices that include prospective student-athletes (anyone that has started classes for the seventh grade). This extends to off campus sites that are regularly used by the institution for practices or competition. The legislation affects all NCAA Division I member institutions."
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5) From site below:
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/AMA/DI_MBKB_issu...ements.pdf
13.11.1.6 Nonscholastic Practice, Contest or Event -- Men's Basketball. An institution shall not host, sponsor or conduct a nonscholastic basketball practice, contest or event in which men's basketball prospective student-athletes participate on its campus or at an off-campus facility regularly used by the institution for practice and/or competition by any of the institution's sport programs.
[13.11.1.6 through 13.11.1.7 renumbered as 13.11.1.7 through 13.11.1.8, unchanged.]
[Remainder of 13.11 unchanged.]
Source: NCAA Division I Board of Directors
Effective Date: Immediate; a contract signed before October 29, 2009 may be honored.
Category: Amendment
Topical Area: Recruiting
Rationale: There has been a proliferation of nonscholastic events held on Division I campuses during quiet periods, specifically during the months of May and June. Generally, these events are being planned and operated in an attempt to assist institutions with recruiting opportunities. Travel and lodging expenses are routinely provided free of charge for those prospective student-athletes or teams identified as important to the coaching staff's recruiting efforts, and funds and/or services provided by institutions and boosters are sometimes used to pay these expenses. Reluctant college coaches are being leveraged to help the event operator arrange for discounted operational costs (e.g., facility fees) under the threat that the event operator will take the event (and all of the prospective student-athletes) to another institution's campus. Regardless of the level of complicity or involvement of the coaching staff, these events provide a significant recruiting advantage for the institution that hosts the events.
Budget Impact: Potential for lost revenue for use of facilities by outside entities.
Impact on S-A's Time: None.
Position Statement(s)
Recruiting and Athletics Personnel Issues Cabinet: The cabinet acknowledged the potential recruiting advantages gained by institutions that host nonscholastic practices or events, but expressed concern that the proposal would eliminate the opportunity for many institutions' auxiliary departments (e.g., recreation and athletics departments) to generate revenue by conducting such events on campus.
History
Oct 28, 2009: Submit; Submitted for consideration.
Oct 29, 2009: Board of Directors, Sponsored
Jan 14, 2010: Leg Council Init Review, Forwarded for Membership Comment
Jan 17, 2010: Comment Period; Start of Comment Period
Feb 04, 2010: Recruiting and Athletics Personnel Issues Cabinet, No Formal Position
Mar 17, 2010: Comment Period; End of Comment Period; (Official Comment Totals: Support = 1, Oppose = 13, Abstain = 0)
Apr 13, 2010: Leg Council Final Review, Referred (referred proposal to Men's Basketball Issues Committee); The proposal remains in the legislative process and will be considered again in the 2010-11 legislative cycle. If the proposal is adopted, as noted in the effective date, a contract signed before October 29, 2009 may be honored. If the legislation is adopted, actions contrary to the legislation that are taken pursuant to contracts signed on or after October 29, 2009 will result in violations.
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Here's the official 439-page 2011-12 NCAA Division-I Manual.
http://www.dartmouthsports.com/pdf8/7946...M_ID=11600
Effective August 1, 2011.
See page 130.
So it was adopted in April and and effective in August ... NOT LATE NOVEMBER, MR. BLAIR
Verbatim:
13.11.1.7.1 Planning or Operation of Nonscholastic Events?Men’s Basketball. In men’s basketball,
a staff member or a representative of the institution’s athletics interests shall not be involved in any
way in the planning or operation of a men’s/boys’ basketball nonscholastic event on an institution’s campus.
(Adopted: 8/26/10)
13.11.1.8 Nonscholastic Practice or Competition?Men’s Basketball. An institution [including any
institutional department (e.g., athletics, recreational/intramural)] shall not host, sponsor or conduct a nonscholastic
basketball practice or competition in which men’s basketball prospective student-athletes (see Bylaw
13.11.1.2) participate on its campus or at an off-campus facility regularly used by the institution for practice
and/or competition by any of the institution’s sport programs. (Adopted: 4/28/11; a contract signed before
10/29/09 may be honored)
13.11.1.8.1 Exception?State Multisport Events. An institution may host basketball-related events
that are part of officially recognized state multisport events. (Adopted: 4/28/11)
13.11.1.8.2 Exception?Other Events. An institution may host, sponsor or conduct a nonscholastic
event that involves men’s basketball prospective student-athletes, provided it meets one of the following
conditions: (Adopted: 4/28/11)
(a) The event is open (see Bylaw 13.11.3.1) and all participating men’s basketball prospective studentathletes
reside within a 50-mile radius of the institution’s campus;
(b) The event is part of a program that is consistent with the mission of the institution (e.g., state wellness
and educational programs) and is conducted in accordance with Bylaw 13.11.3.2; or
© The event is an ancillary event that is part of a nonathletics program (e.g., Boy Scouts) and is conducted
in accordance with Bylaw 13.11.3.2.
13.11.1.9 Use of Institutional Facilities for Noninstitutional Camps or Clinics?Men’s Basketball.
In men’s basketball, the use of institutional facilities for noninstitutional camps or clinics that include
prospect-aged (see Bylaw 13.11.1.2) participants shall be limited to the months of June, July and August. (Adopted:
4/28/11; a contract signed before 10/29/09 may be honored)
1) NCAA Rule does NOT effect football finals this weekend at WKU, Two REGULAR-SEASON Rupp events, the LIT at Bellarmine (Bellarmine is NCAA Division-II) or the boys' sweet 16. Plenty of high school teams will still get to play in Rupp this season.
2) The Friday-Sunday "Rumble In Rupp" was disallowed for two reasons. One, because it is a preseason event NOT recognized by the KHSAA as a scholastic event. Two, because of Findlay Prep's involvement. For scholastic events, schools cannot be paid travel, hotel, food, appearance fee, etc. So you really think Findlay was coming all the way from Vegas to play a scrimmage game for nothing in return?
3) The email quote and the post on Bleid Sports' web site about the rule going into effect after 10 P.M. WEDNESDAY were 100 PERCENT FALSE. As proved below MULTIPLE times.
--------------------------
1) Found this on a California AAU site from MAY:
Friday, May 6, 2011
NEW GUIDELINES FOR EVENT OPERATORS
Dear Non-Athletes, District Directors & Event Operators,
This is to inform each of you that the NCAA passed legislation that could affect how you conduct events.
Men's Basketball - Use of Division I Campus Facilities Update ? Proposal No. 2009-100 version A was discussed by the NCAA Board of Directors and adopted with a 60-day override period. This legislation would prohibit an institution [including any institutional department (e.g., athletics, recreational/intramural)] from hosting, sponsoring or conducting a non-scholastic basketball practice or competition in which men's basketball prospective student-athletes participate on its campus or at an off-campus facility regularly used by the institution for practice and/or competition by any of the institution's sport programs. This legislation is effective immediately; however, a contract signed before October 29, 2009, may be honored. Institutions will continue to have the opportunity to host non-institutional camps or clinics during the months of June, July and August and the opportunity to host basketball competition that is part of state multisport events. Questions should be directed to NCAA Academic and Membership Affairs (AMA) at 317/917-6222. AMA is knowledgeable on bylaws in all three divisions and, unlike other NCAA staff members, is permitted to provide interpretations of those bylaws.
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2) Here's the Bob Gibbons Tournament moving (from Duke, UNC, Wake, NC State) in MAY:
http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/tag/bob-gibbons/
--------------------------
3) Here's an official NCAA-site article from JULY 5:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...l+proposal
--------------------------
4) Here's one from SEPT. 6:
http://sportscommissions.wordpress.com/2...-the-ncaa/
"Legislation is in place to regulate the use of on campus basketball facilities. At present, boys (or men’s as described by the NCAA) basketball is subject to new restrictions on use. Virtually identical legislation covering girls/women’s basketball is on its way to implementation.
In general, the legislation now prohibits the use of on campus basketball facilities for non-scholastic boys/men’s basketball events or practices that include prospective student-athletes (anyone that has started classes for the seventh grade). This extends to off campus sites that are regularly used by the institution for practices or competition. The legislation affects all NCAA Division I member institutions."
--------------------------
5) From site below:
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/AMA/DI_MBKB_issu...ements.pdf
13.11.1.6 Nonscholastic Practice, Contest or Event -- Men's Basketball. An institution shall not host, sponsor or conduct a nonscholastic basketball practice, contest or event in which men's basketball prospective student-athletes participate on its campus or at an off-campus facility regularly used by the institution for practice and/or competition by any of the institution's sport programs.
[13.11.1.6 through 13.11.1.7 renumbered as 13.11.1.7 through 13.11.1.8, unchanged.]
[Remainder of 13.11 unchanged.]
Source: NCAA Division I Board of Directors
Effective Date: Immediate; a contract signed before October 29, 2009 may be honored.
Category: Amendment
Topical Area: Recruiting
Rationale: There has been a proliferation of nonscholastic events held on Division I campuses during quiet periods, specifically during the months of May and June. Generally, these events are being planned and operated in an attempt to assist institutions with recruiting opportunities. Travel and lodging expenses are routinely provided free of charge for those prospective student-athletes or teams identified as important to the coaching staff's recruiting efforts, and funds and/or services provided by institutions and boosters are sometimes used to pay these expenses. Reluctant college coaches are being leveraged to help the event operator arrange for discounted operational costs (e.g., facility fees) under the threat that the event operator will take the event (and all of the prospective student-athletes) to another institution's campus. Regardless of the level of complicity or involvement of the coaching staff, these events provide a significant recruiting advantage for the institution that hosts the events.
Budget Impact: Potential for lost revenue for use of facilities by outside entities.
Impact on S-A's Time: None.
Position Statement(s)
Recruiting and Athletics Personnel Issues Cabinet: The cabinet acknowledged the potential recruiting advantages gained by institutions that host nonscholastic practices or events, but expressed concern that the proposal would eliminate the opportunity for many institutions' auxiliary departments (e.g., recreation and athletics departments) to generate revenue by conducting such events on campus.
History
Oct 28, 2009: Submit; Submitted for consideration.
Oct 29, 2009: Board of Directors, Sponsored
Jan 14, 2010: Leg Council Init Review, Forwarded for Membership Comment
Jan 17, 2010: Comment Period; Start of Comment Period
Feb 04, 2010: Recruiting and Athletics Personnel Issues Cabinet, No Formal Position
Mar 17, 2010: Comment Period; End of Comment Period; (Official Comment Totals: Support = 1, Oppose = 13, Abstain = 0)
Apr 13, 2010: Leg Council Final Review, Referred (referred proposal to Men's Basketball Issues Committee); The proposal remains in the legislative process and will be considered again in the 2010-11 legislative cycle. If the proposal is adopted, as noted in the effective date, a contract signed before October 29, 2009 may be honored. If the legislation is adopted, actions contrary to the legislation that are taken pursuant to contracts signed on or after October 29, 2009 will result in violations.
-------------------------------------
Here's the official 439-page 2011-12 NCAA Division-I Manual.
http://www.dartmouthsports.com/pdf8/7946...M_ID=11600
Effective August 1, 2011.
See page 130.
So it was adopted in April and and effective in August ... NOT LATE NOVEMBER, MR. BLAIR
Verbatim:
13.11.1.7.1 Planning or Operation of Nonscholastic Events?Men’s Basketball. In men’s basketball,
a staff member or a representative of the institution’s athletics interests shall not be involved in any
way in the planning or operation of a men’s/boys’ basketball nonscholastic event on an institution’s campus.
(Adopted: 8/26/10)
13.11.1.8 Nonscholastic Practice or Competition?Men’s Basketball. An institution [including any
institutional department (e.g., athletics, recreational/intramural)] shall not host, sponsor or conduct a nonscholastic
basketball practice or competition in which men’s basketball prospective student-athletes (see Bylaw
13.11.1.2) participate on its campus or at an off-campus facility regularly used by the institution for practice
and/or competition by any of the institution’s sport programs. (Adopted: 4/28/11; a contract signed before
10/29/09 may be honored)
13.11.1.8.1 Exception?State Multisport Events. An institution may host basketball-related events
that are part of officially recognized state multisport events. (Adopted: 4/28/11)
13.11.1.8.2 Exception?Other Events. An institution may host, sponsor or conduct a nonscholastic
event that involves men’s basketball prospective student-athletes, provided it meets one of the following
conditions: (Adopted: 4/28/11)
(a) The event is open (see Bylaw 13.11.3.1) and all participating men’s basketball prospective studentathletes
reside within a 50-mile radius of the institution’s campus;
(b) The event is part of a program that is consistent with the mission of the institution (e.g., state wellness
and educational programs) and is conducted in accordance with Bylaw 13.11.3.2; or
© The event is an ancillary event that is part of a nonathletics program (e.g., Boy Scouts) and is conducted
in accordance with Bylaw 13.11.3.2.
13.11.1.9 Use of Institutional Facilities for Noninstitutional Camps or Clinics?Men’s Basketball.
In men’s basketball, the use of institutional facilities for noninstitutional camps or clinics that include
prospect-aged (see Bylaw 13.11.1.2) participants shall be limited to the months of June, July and August. (Adopted:
4/28/11; a contract signed before 10/29/09 may be honored)
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