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04-09-2011, 02:09 AM
vundy33 Wrote:Well, my opinion is that I could care less if Jews are God's chosen people. Really. I don't even really care if they're an ally, it only hurts us in the eyes of most middle eastern countries, and they'll never help us in a conflict in any Muslim country.
That said, War and defense isn't the only benefit of having allies. I'm not to educated on the other benefits of our friendship with Israel, that's why I won't speak on them.
I think that Israel has the right and should defend their people with the force necessary. They're blockade on Gaza might be illegal, but our blockade on the Soviets coming into Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis was also illegal, even though it was called a "quarantine", and that was legal. We were essentially protecting our citizens, I don't see a problem in Israel doing the same, especially when they're on their own over there.
One thing I'd hate to see is Israel become an enemy.
If any of you can be un-biased and would like to give us some pro's and con's concerning the U.S. friendship with Israel, and maybe some numbers on their problems with Gaza, then be my guest. I'd really like to know more instead of relying on a wall of text and possible non-fact on Wikipedia and biased articles on news sites.
From what I've heard, the Islamists in the Middle East became upset with us when we helped Israel to become a nation. They became even more aggravated when they started wars with Israel and, as a result, Israel took land from the Palestinians. To my understanding, Israel gave some of that land back.
Israel wouldn't help us against other Middle Eastern countries simply because they have to protect themselves. They're surrounded by people who want to destroy them. Something that I've realized in the past few months is that Israel is one of the few countries in that if they lost a war, they would literally lose an entire religious group of people. In other words, Israel's enemies would want to commit genocide of the Jewish people. And if you don't believe me, simply look at Iran.
What I've stated above is why some people are concerned for Israel right now. Jordan and Egypt used to have peace treaties with Israel, but if you've noticed, the Egyptian government is being changed while the Jordan government is facing the threat of being overturned. Both of these changes in government will cause Israel to be in great trouble. They'll literally be surrounded by enemies. And to make it worse, our relations with Israel are much worse. We've been insulting Israel for a few months now. Therefore, Israel probably feels concerned about what's happening. And to make things even worse, there's the possible second flotilla that's being sent to Israel (as I said in my post above) as Glenn Beck mentioned on his show. I honestly think Israel's enemies are trying to make Israel look bad.
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Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by TheRealVille - 05-31-2010, 06:01 PM
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Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Old School - 06-01-2010, 07:13 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by TheRealVille - 06-01-2010, 09:30 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by BillyB - 06-02-2010, 02:22 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Beetle01 - 06-02-2010, 06:11 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Hoot Gibson - 06-02-2010, 06:58 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Old School - 06-02-2010, 07:48 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Beetle01 - 06-02-2010, 09:30 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by BillyB - 06-03-2010, 09:35 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by nky - 06-03-2010, 02:07 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Beetle01 - 06-03-2010, 09:02 PM
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Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by nky - 06-03-2010, 10:03 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by nky - 06-03-2010, 10:13 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Deathstar 80 - 06-04-2010, 12:48 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Beetle01 - 06-04-2010, 01:06 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Stardust - 06-04-2010, 01:12 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Old School - 06-05-2010, 06:11 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Beetle01 - 06-05-2010, 11:23 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Hoot Gibson - 06-06-2010, 08:15 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Hoot Gibson - 06-06-2010, 12:04 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Hoot Gibson - 06-06-2010, 05:01 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Deathstar 80 - 06-06-2010, 06:50 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Hoot Gibson - 06-06-2010, 11:17 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Beetle01 - 06-07-2010, 01:09 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Hoot Gibson - 06-07-2010, 05:09 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by TheRealVille - 06-07-2010, 08:37 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Hoot Gibson - 06-07-2010, 09:18 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Deathstar 80 - 06-08-2010, 12:10 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by vundy33 - 06-08-2010, 03:45 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Beetle01 - 06-08-2010, 03:54 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Hoot Gibson - 06-08-2010, 05:53 AM
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Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Hoot Gibson - 06-08-2010, 04:54 PM
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Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by TheRealVille - 06-08-2010, 09:10 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by TheRealVille - 06-08-2010, 09:12 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by BillyB - 06-08-2010, 09:21 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Hoot Gibson - 06-09-2010, 02:21 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Hoot Gibson - 06-09-2010, 02:29 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by BillyB - 06-09-2010, 08:34 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by TheRealVille - 06-09-2010, 07:25 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Hoot Gibson - 06-09-2010, 07:47 PM
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Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Hoot Gibson - 06-09-2010, 08:29 PM
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Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Deathstar 80 - 06-10-2010, 12:18 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Beetle01 - 06-10-2010, 01:12 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Hoot Gibson - 06-10-2010, 07:22 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by vundy33 - 06-11-2010, 07:00 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by TheRealVille - 06-11-2010, 02:03 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Beetle01 - 06-11-2010, 03:05 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by vundy33 - 06-12-2010, 02:08 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Hoot Gibson - 06-12-2010, 05:27 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Old School - 06-23-2010, 07:57 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Deathstar 80 - 04-07-2011, 08:14 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by TheRealThing - 04-08-2011, 05:46 PM
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Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Deathstar 80 - 04-08-2011, 10:53 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by TheRealThing - 04-09-2011, 12:00 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by vundy33 - 04-09-2011, 12:03 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Deathstar 80 - 04-09-2011, 02:09 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by jetpilot - 04-09-2011, 02:49 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by TheRealVille - 04-09-2011, 07:41 PM
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Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Deathstar 80 - 04-09-2011, 11:46 PM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by jetpilot - 04-10-2011, 07:06 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by jetpilot - 04-10-2011, 07:07 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by TheRealVille - 04-10-2011, 07:52 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by TheRealVille - 04-10-2011, 08:14 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by Hoot Gibson - 04-10-2011, 08:38 AM
Israel criticized over Gaza flotilla attack - by TheRealVille - 04-10-2011, 09:17 AM
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