[TheRealThing]

Two points: first I agree with you we do sit on the largest stock pile of energy in... propaine gas, we make the Saudi's look weak when we look at our stock pile of this stuff. Question: why are we not using this stuff?

Second point: In the last 35 years, we have done the following in technology, sent a man to the moon, communicate with anyone in the whole world, developed processors that pushing the bounds of physics, have smart cars... which if you believe the commericals can park on their own, developed ways to keep people alive longer, found a cure for HIV or at least made it not as fatal. In S.Ky, we have found new ways to kill eachother, with the invention of meth.

Now the reason I just pointed out all of these things, the market dictated these things. We could all agree to that point. It is my point that the market has dictated that we need newer cheaper energy, not something used over one hundred years ago. However, nothing has changed...technology has, people's greed has not. Hence the problem, a select few and it doesn't matter if Republican or Democrat is in charge and has super majority. A point that I am going to prove to Hoot in the next reply.

So the only logical conclusion is that both sides in the political process will see to it that the market can not expand, it does not matter what private enterprise comes up with an idea or not, and again I point to how Google powers their company.

So I ask again how do you explain my theory, other than I am completely nuts:Clap:!

Seriously, are you saying there is no market for fossil fuels? It's my belief that the day that gasoline is not readily available will mark the start of the 2nd dark age, (pun intended)

I can see it now, everything goes magically green whether the technology exists for green energy or not doesn't matter to the Hatter. Here's a list of our national weapons inventory in that bright day: solar tanks, hybrid jet fighters, wind carriers, all electric jeeps and armoured personnel carriers. Please forgive my attempt at humor. You're talking about leaping forward in time technologically to the point where only a strong imagination could even begin to dream it all up.

Reality is what we have. The green dream is fiction. To feed and house and afford the grandest life style this world has likely seen takes gas. Food production takes gas. Defense takes gas. Obviously the list is endless. Reinventing all of man's achievements on a whim is not possible. The only people that would even consider it are the idealists of the world. What would their world look like anyway? All the sandal clad gentle folk standing out on some green pasture. Smiling up at a solar powered jumbotron featuring John Lennon singing Imagine all the people living for today, nothing to live and die for? Patting themselves on the back for saving the planet? (which I do not accept as being in peril)

Sorry, give me a 69 chevelle with the open road lying before me, on the stereo Jimi Hendrix is singing All Along The Watch Tower, and I've only got a few minutes to get to work. That's okay though cause if I push it a little I can be there on time. Of course I'd have to get the little electric cars cleaned out of my grill at some point. LOL

By the way, the technology to produce and provide the existing green energy efforts is way more expensive than the fossil fuels they intend to replace.