[Superman20]

I am not to bad to add my thoughts to these type of debates, however, I would like to add my observations as totally an outsider who also knows quite a bit about Paintsville and their sports history, the players both athletically, administratively, and politically, and the overall scope of athletics in the Big Sandy Region. However, to come to an understanding of where Paintsville should go moving forward, they need to understand where they come from. So, lets break it down like this....

-Should Jim Tom Allen have been forced out?

A. Absolutely not. Jim Tom had paid his dues and won games and competed in every game while he was there. His teams were fundamentally sound, stong, and comparably fast with everyone they played against. His following success with Pburgs program is just more proof he was a quality coach who should have still been there.

-Should Coach Kinner have been hired following Allen's departure?

A. I don't see why not. Remember, Kinner was young, but so has every other coach at Paintsville when they took over the reigns of their respective sports. He had great pedigree, playing experience, and from all accounts was ready then and will make a great head coach. Plus, he was a Paintsville guy......Everyone knows....EVERYONE!!... that Paintsville fans, staff, and alumni want one of their own. I don't care if it were Dudley Hilton, Phillip Haywood, or Nick Saban, Paintsville people still want Paintsville people coaching their sports. I also don't buy the "John Doe or James Doe" applied and was looked over. Yeah, I am sure they applied, but it was because they wanted to see how much money would have been involved, how many classes they had to teach, facilities, etc. That doesn't mean they would have taken the job even if offered.

-How much affect has Johnson Central had on program?

A. Tremendous! Not because they are taking "Paintsville" kids, but because they are keeping their own. Did this hapen because of Kinner? No, because it had already began happening several years before, when Matney arrived.

-Is the Paintsville talent level on par to what it normally is?

A. Not even close. I read a statement earlier where someone said there could have been two to three all state potential kids on this past years team. You got to be kidding me. The talent level is below mediocre. And sadly, it doesnt appear it is getting any better. Its not only football, all of Paintsville's sports are struggling currently. Direct result of the lack of talent.

-Are there intangibles at play here?

A. More than people realize. Kinner's assistant staff is questionable at best. Now whether that falls on Kinner or the Administration is not something I can answer. I do know that adequate assistant coaching help is hard for anyone to find.
Another factor is scheduling. This is something that probably does fall on Kinner. If I were him, beginning my coaching career, Pburg and Lawrence County would not be on my schedule. I dont care if Lawrence lost 100 in a row. Thats just me.
Finally, this is something a lot of people havent thought about. Why the decline in Paintsville talent???? Because Paintsville graduates/athletes, didnt raise their families in Paintsville. The 70's, 80's, 90's were full of 2nd and sometimes 3rd generation athletes. Some of those same players that were great in that time, don't raise their families in Paintsville now. Thus, resulting in a huge decline in the talent pool.

-So, finally, should Kinner still be the Coach next year?

A. I have to say yes. Many of his faults are a result of growing pains that have probably been corrected or at least understood by now. However the majority of his problems are simply a lack of talent that very few coaches could overcome. Are there changes he needs to make? Of course, every coach has to step back and evaluate what is working and what isn't, not only from an X and O standpoint, but also in how you interact with administration, parents, players, etc. Ultimately, once he changes his schedule he should be able to field a competitve, healthy team before playoffs begin. Then with some consistency, Paintsville will be able to compete with everyone they are suppossed to.

Just my opinion....

Several parts of this post are simply not true.

-First part I have an issue with, Kinners "pedigree" that he was capable of taking over as head coach after Jim Tom. One year as an assistant is part of that pedigree, and not from all accounts did people that actually KNOW whats going on agreed from the beginning. How is that a great pedigree? lol thats hilarious. He played college ball, which is something that several alumni from paintsville can say. His peers that he graduated with questioned the hire from day one so not all accounts claimed he was a good fit. Actually several people that know the whole situation was skeptical from day one, so whoever told you that doesnt have a clue. LIke i said from day one, just because you can play the game doesnt mean you can coach it.

-The talent that was coached the last three seasons is better then what people are giving credit for. How can you showcase your talent when you run a style of play that discredits them? Jasons biggest flaw with this whole situation is that he's blamed the kids from the beginning, and HE HAS HAD 3 PLAYERS THAT HAD ALL STATE CALIBER POTENTIAL. Thats a fact, and anyone thats watched all three years knows thats the truth. I've spoken to more the one coach that has coached against paintsville and even they admitted that Paintsville would be better if they werent so predictable on offense and ran a better system. I know a lot that goes on in that school, and what types of athletes are in that school. Your judging players that are running a system thats not best for them and then discrediting them for it and thats wrong. The same kids that got beat in week one by Harlan, beat Harlan 38-0 when they were in middle school. Some of those players that didnt play football, didnt play because of jason and are still in the school system.

-I dont understand how outsiders that dont have a clue can get on here and dispute posters that actually know the situation. I knew this post wasn't accurate as soon as it said that Kinner had a great pedigree. If coaching for one season of high school football is a good resume and is sufficient enough to display that a man has enough ability to be a head coach and you wanna call that a good pedigree thats fine. It's hilarious to people close to the situation when people guess at things, or judge things from one ball game a year and then dispute people that have watched practices, watched the kids grow up, watched these kids win several ball games growing up, watched them get beat in ball games in high school, etc.

- The problem started when a coach was handed a job that he wasn't ready for with his "great pedigree". He's either ran off or angered every good assistant coach he's ever had from day one. He ran off Milton Preston who had coached for paintsville for years, and coached under Brugh. Said his techniques were to old and didn't work. Then anyone that comes around and knows more then him, he finds any excuse that he can to run them off. Thats why he's left with assistants that have no experience. One thing that paintsville still has is qualified alumni all over town that would be good coaches, but they dont want to help Jason because of his attitude. One of the several local coaches approached by Kinner told me that he knew better then to attempt to help him because the first time you dispute his schemes he gets rid of you. Their are better assistant coaches in the youth leagues in their are coaching the high school level.

- He can change the schedule and fill it full of cup cakes, but with his coaching ability he will get crushed by Fairview and Raceland every season. Sad part is he has some very talented young kids coming up in the program, but the parents arent wanting their kids to play for him because they have witnessed his "great coaching pedigree" and know that he's not a good coach. A 38% winning percentage in three years and the bonehead moves that people in PAINTSVILLE that actually watch more then one game a year is enough evidence. I state facts not fiction and I haven't based things on outside accounts from the he said, she said crap. Ive witnessed and seen the problems.