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Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8
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ukyfootball Wrote:Im actually independent, but if you want to label me liberal then go ahead. However, what I was talking about is not comparing apples to oranges. What you said was comparing marriage between 2 people to numerous people marrying amongst themselves. What I compared are 2 matters that deal with bigotry and most of the nation has (at some point or another) spurned and hated both. Your claims of "logic" are also fallacious, to the point where I dont even know if you know what youre talking about.

On a separate note, homosexuality is not a choice, but rather something a person is born as. Whether you like it or not, gay marriage will eventually be allowed in America. Also, why would you even want to tell another person what they can or cant do (and eliminate big government)?
Still no answer to my original polygamy question. Instead you answer with more questions, driving home my point that you dodged the question and are employing all of the typical liberal tactics to avoid honest debate. You may call yourself an independent if you want, but your political positions and debating tactics scream liberal.

I would prefer that the federal government simply walk away from the institution of marriage altogether rather than providing its endorsement of the sham known as gay marriage. There are a compelling arguments to be made for the government actively encouraging heterosexual marriage because of its tendency to result in the birth of children, who immediately become somebody's dependents upon their birth. There is no such argument to be made for the government endorsing or encouraging gay marriage. Our court systems are over burdened as it is without adding thousands of gay divorces to their dockets for no good reason. All of the issues raised by gay couples such as property rights and hospital visitation rights can be handled legally between two adults and they can be addressed outside of the institution of marriage.

There is your apples and oranges comparison. There are good reasons that gay marriage has never been commonly sanctioned by governments over thousands of years of human history. Marriage, as a legal institution, exists primarily to provide support and rights for children, and to ensure the orderly and equitable transfer of property upon the death of the parents. You can make an argument against government involvement in the marriage between two heterosexuals incapable of producing heirs, so please spare me the liberal argument that many heterosexual unions do not result in offspring. The tax breaks for married couples were put in place to encourage propagation of our species.

As far as telling another person what he or she can and cannot do, our government does that everyday that we draw a breath and then takes control over the distribution of our assets upon our death. That is what laws do. Most conservatives believe that what consenting adults do behind closed doors is none of the government's business. It is none of my business either. But when the federal government starts requiring tax dollars to be used to promote a homosexual lifestyle and requiring gay partners to be provided tax funded benefits by virtue of their spouse's employment, then it becomes my business.

Now, do you want to take a shot at my question regarding polygamous marriage among consenting adults? What logical basis is there for denying polygamists the right to marry if you extend that right to gay couples?
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Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by BillyB - 08-06-2010, 12:56 PM
Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by Aslan - 08-08-2010, 02:30 AM
Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by Hoot Gibson - 08-08-2010, 09:00 AM
Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by Aslan - 08-08-2010, 11:30 AM
Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by EOE - 08-08-2010, 10:07 PM
Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by BillyB - 08-10-2010, 04:34 PM
Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by Aslan - 08-11-2010, 08:25 AM
Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by Matman - 08-11-2010, 01:29 PM
Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by BillyB - 08-11-2010, 02:50 PM
Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by BillyB - 08-11-2010, 08:45 PM
Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by BillyB - 08-16-2010, 12:43 PM
Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by BillyB - 08-16-2010, 09:25 PM
Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by BillyB - 08-16-2010, 10:57 PM
Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by BillyB - 08-17-2010, 07:05 AM
Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by BillyB - 08-17-2010, 05:47 PM
Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by BillyB - 08-18-2010, 10:17 AM
Judge Vaughn Walker and Proposition 8 - by EOE - 08-24-2010, 10:20 PM

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