[kywldcat01]

But what did that do for him come state tournament time? Zero because he wasn't there.

You can sit here and thump your chest in reference to Valley and Justice all you want (and rightfully so), but I ask you this....

Has Valley played in the 7th region tournament would they have been at Rupp? Would they have had the depth to beat Trinity, Male, and Ballard in 4 days?

Had Valley switched places with Ballard in the upper bracket...would they have won the state title? Would they have been able to beat Shelby Co, Warren Central, Scott Co, and then Ballard in the championships?

Don't say a kid shouldn't have won the award because he wasn't there. Sewell's resume this year (before the sweet 16) was more impressive than any other seniors' out there.

[TrinitySID]

Point is, Sewell did the same thing ALL YEAR against the best in the state. Justice had a good sweet 16 against the less competitive bottom bracket and wins the award.

I'm willing to bet that had the voting been done before the sweet 16, Sewell gets the award. Look at how many sweet 16 tourney mvp's (seniors) have won Mr. Basketball over the years and then compare it to how many votes they received for first team all state. You'll be surprised...which goes in to my whole theory that politics are a major factor of who wins Mr. Basketball.

When examining head-to-head matchups, we sometimes forget about intangibles.

Best example I have seen this year was Stanford WBB team. They played Duke and UT before playing UConn earlier this year. They showed in the title game that they could play with UConn better than most, but couldn't do it earlier in the year because of the scheduling and intangibles of it.

Look at the Kentucky women this year, they were able to use just 6-7 players for the bulk of the season when they had a couple days off between games. When they got in the tournament and had to play 2-in-3, it showed. The lack of depth on the roster, not depth on the team (big difference) finally caught up with the Cats.

Sometimes we need to take a step back in the world of sports and look at why things happened, especially when we start firing coaches quickly at some levels, and not just look at the fact that they happened.


Think about this for a second, let's say team A is the #1 ranked team in the state and the #1 or 2 seed in their own district tournament and team B is the #2 ranked team in the state is the alternate seed in that same district... The team that loses that district final game between that #1 and #2 team in the state is going to be at a disadvantage in regionals just because of their geographic location. Do we think about how this can affect a team?

Do we put into play how the havoc with the weather changes things for teams this year? In the major cities, weather played a bigger part in scheduling than it has in the last decade.

[PC_You_Know]

You can sit here and thump your chest in reference to Valley and Justice all you want (and rightfully so), but I ask you this....

Has Valley played in the 7th region tournament would they have been at Rupp? Would they have had the depth to beat Trinity, Male, and Ballard in 4 days?

Had Valley switched places with Ballard in the upper bracket...would they have won the state title? Would they have been able to beat Shelby Co, Warren Central, Scott Co, and then Ballard in the championships?

Don't say a kid shouldn't have won the award because he wasn't there. Sewell's resume this year (before the sweet 16) was more impressive than any other seniors' out there.

Lots of what if's in your posts here lately. What could have happened and what actually happened are two different things. Valley won two state titles in one year, while Sewell and Trinity were winning these other things like small tournaments around the state, Valley was getting their third ring in two years. Maybe Valley knows something about scheduling?

[TrinitySID]

Lots of what if's in your posts here lately. What could have happened and what actually happened are two different things. Valley won two state titles in one year, while Sewell and Trinity were winning these other things like small tournaments around the state, Valley was getting their third ring in two years. Maybe Valley knows something about scheduling?

One can not possibly compare the All A Classic to any of the three in-season tournaments Trinity won this year or any other team has won in the past amongst those tournaments. There is no comparison, ANY YEAR. There is no comparison. KOB, RPHC and LIT are the three "top rated" tournaments and the three most difficult in-season tournaments the state has to offer.

One state title is awarded each year in the state of Kentucky in the sport of boy's basketball. If you want to go to a class system, then you can have your multiple titles you seem to feel are currently awarded in the state of Kentucky.

Guess Trinity/Ballard regular season game winner both wanted to play two top 5 teams in the district tournament and another top 15 team in the region tournament opening round game this year? I guess next year they can schedule a few sub-50/100/150/200 teams on their way to a regional title next season.

It is clear by your post that you didn't understand what I wrote (or intended to convey...) if you were implying I was posing what ifs. I clearly stated how teams got to where they got. When you step back and look at things that way, it can be a really fascinating thing to look at.

Looking at the course of the season or the course of a four-year career for a player, it is really cool to look back and see how you got to where you are at the end of the year. The course of interconnecting events is really fascinating to look at.

Every event leads to another event which leads to another event, the puzzle of life. It is really common sense to think about it that way, but try to look a little deeper. Its worth the effort. Look more closely at the course of events.

[PC_You_Know]

One can not possibly compare the All A Classic to any of the three in-season tournaments Trinity won this year or any other team has won in the past amongst those tournaments. There is no comparison, ANY YEAR. There is no comparison. KOB, RPHC and LIT are the three "top rated" tournaments and the three most difficult in-season tournaments the state has to offer.

One state title is awarded each year in the state of Kentucky in the sport of boy's basketball. If you want to go to a class system, then you can have your multiple titles you seem to feel are currently awarded in the state of Kentucky.

Guess Trinity/Ballard regular season game winner both wanted to play two top 5 teams in the district tournament and another top 15 team in the region tournament opening round game this year? I guess next year they can schedule a few sub-50/100/150/200 teams on their way to a regional title next season.

It is clear by your post that you didn't understand what I wrote (or intended to convey...) if you were implying I was posing what ifs. I clearly stated how teams got to where they got. When you step back and look at things that way, it can be a really fascinating thing to look at.

Looking at the course of the season or the course of a four-year career for a player, it is really cool to look back and see how you got to where you are at the end of the year. The course of interconnecting events is really fascinating to look at.

Every event leads to another event which leads to another event, the puzzle of life. It is really common sense to think about it that way, but try to look a little deeper. Its worth the effort. Look more closely at the course of events.

I didn't quote you.

[TrinitySID]

I didn't quote you.

My fault re: quote.

My other points still valid.

Glad you don't seem to disagree on what the three best tournaments are it appears.

[kentuckynole]

Point is, Sewell did the same thing ALL YEAR against the best in the state. Justice had a good sweet 16 against the less competitive bottom bracket and wins the award.

I'm willing to bet that had the voting been done before the sweet 16, Sewell gets the award. Look at how many sweet 16 tourney mvp's (seniors) have won Mr. Basketball over the years and then compare it to how many votes they received for first team all state. You'll be surprised...which goes in to my whole theory that politics are a major factor of who wins Mr. Basketball.

Comparing stats for year.
Trinty 26-4 Overall 12-3 against the greatest region in state the 7th
Outside Region 14-1
Sewell 208-423 49.2% 2pt.
32-85 37.6% 3pt.
147-188 78.2% FT
5.7 Reb. & 2.2 Assists

Shelby Valley 32-4 16-0 in region
Outside Region 16-4
Justice 225-414 54.3% 2pt.
51-125 40.8% 3pt.
127-158 80.4%
5.9 Assists & 3.9 Rebounds

Of course Justice probably got all of his stats against that terrible 15th region.

I know Trinity played against the best in the state because they were in the 7th region but Shelby Valley did play 2 state runner-up teams and beat 1 state champion out of Georgia.

I am not really comparing schedules just stats and if you look at the stats then they are pretty equal. Either player could have won it but Justice did maybe because of Sweet 16 maybe not.

[loubballfan]

I think if you add the recently discovered fact that Sewell had an injury to his hand back in December that has required recent surgery what he accomplished this season overshadows anybody, including Justice!

[5throundball]

There is no doubt that the 7th region this year had the most good teams, they were better than the 15th region and also the 11th, 9th and 4th regions. Would Shelby Valley had won the 7th region and state if they were in the Louisville region? I dont see why they wouldnt, it certainly would have been a tougher schedule and they would have lost more games, but knowing what we know now and if we replayed the season with SV in the 7th I think the Wildcats would be a slight favorite over Trinity. They are definately in the top 2 of that region!
As far as the state tournment goes, if they were in the uppper bracket the only team that I think would have a decent chance of beat Shelby Valley is Christian Co.