[BlackcatAlum]

I think this is a great idea !!! But this may hurt some teams !

[Webster]

Johnson Co. also

[Doc Holliday]

I dont think its loners, drug affect everyone. no one is exempt, if the systems had the money then Im sure they would test everyone.
But you have to start somewhere.
Loners don't tend to be the one doing steroids they tend to be players.
It is needed. I played many years ago and 2 of my teamates were doing crap, and I didn't know it till next to the last game of the season, I just happened to see them taking speed befor a game, i couldn't beleive it, worse i didn't know what to do.
Why because I had no background no true education on it and I didn't want by buddies to get in trouble.
But I was young, now Im some what mature, and I have grown much more conservative in my views I have buried teamates, friends and relatives, who have given in to the temptation of drugs.

If it saves one CHILD then to me it's worth it, at any cost.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Yea, I lost friends to drug use too... but there needs to be a line somewhere as to when we stop giving up parts of our freedom. I mean, this year, may be the searching for drugs, next year, who knows, you might have to sign some kind of paper saying parents cant communicate with the coaching staff or something in order for kids to compete. There hasnt been a plan yet that people have come up with that is perfect. But when someone mentions different ideas, then they get all the crap from it.

As far as the drug testing goes, it is 60% of the people who do extras in the school such as band, choir, sports, and stuff like that... 60% of the students who drive to school. What about 60% of the parents who come on school grounds to pick there kids up when school is out? Isnt there more of a chance they could be using at home then come there messed up? What about 60% of the people who dont drive and dont play sports, are they exempt from it? Is 60% of the people in the board office going to be tested including the superentendents and such?

[Beef]

Your question avout freedom...

In 1995, the Supreme Court ruled 6-to-3 that random drug testing of high school athletes does not violate the Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure

Here is the opinion from the court:
http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/supct/...90.ZO.html




On October 5, 1998, the high court let stand a 7th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals decision allowing an Indiana school district to randomly drug test all students who participate in extracurricular activities. In 1999, the supreme court refused to review the case allowing it to stand.



So Yes, drug testing in this manner is legal :thumb:

[Beef]

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES


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No. 94-590


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VERNONIA SCHOOL DISTRICT 47J, PETITIONER v. WAYNE ACTON, et ux., etc.
on writ of certiorari to the united states court of appeals for the ninth circuit
[June 26, 1995]

Justice Scalia delivered the opinion of the Court.

A search unsupported by probable cause can be constitutional, we have said, "when special needs, beyond the normal need for law enforcement, make the warrant and probable cause requirement impracticable." Griffin v. Wisconsin, 483 U.S. 868, 873 (1987) (internal quotation marks omitted).
We have found such "special needs" to exist in the public school context. There, the warrant requirement "would unduly interfere with the maintenance of the swift and informal disciplinary procedures [that are] needed," and "strict adherence to the requirement that searches be based upon probable cause" would undercut "the substantial need of teachers and administrators for freedom to maintain order in the schools." T. L. O., supra, at 340, 341. The school search we approved in T. L. O., while not based on probable cause, was based on individualized suspicion of wrongdoing.

When parents place minor children in private schools for their education, the teachers and administrators of those schools stand in loco parentis over the children entrusted to them. In fact, the tutor or schoolmaster is the very prototype of that status. As Blackstone describes it, a parent "may . . . delegate part of his parental authority, during his life, to the tutor or schoolmaster of his child; who is then in loco parentis, and has such a portion of the power of the parent committed to his charge, viz. that of restraint and correction, as may be necessary to answer the purposes for which he is employed." 1 W. Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England 441 (1769).

Meaning that when students are at school, the school has the same controls as a parent.

There is an additional respect in which school athletes have a reduced expectation of privacy. By choosing to "go out for the team," they voluntarily subject themselves to a degree of regulation even higher than that imposed on students generally. In Vernonia's public schools, they must submit to a preseason physical exam (James testified that his included the giving of a urine sample, App. 17), they must acquire adequate insurance coverage or sign an insurance waiver, maintain a minimum grade point average, and comply with any "rules of conduct, dress, training hours and related matters as may be established for each sport by the head coach and athletic director with the principal's approval." Record, Exh. 2, p. 30, ¶8. Somewhat like adults who choose to participate in a "closely regulated industry," students who voluntarily participate in school athletics have reason to expect intrusions upon normal rights and privileges, including privacy. See Skinner, 489 U. S., at 627; United States v. Biswell, 406 U.S. 311, 316 (1972).

And in reference to testing parents that pick up students:

T. L. O. did not deny, but indeed emphasized, that the nature of that power is custodial and tutelary, permitting a degree of supervision and control that could not be exercised over free adults.

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Hope this helps!

[PineRider]

I think it's a great idea, even though it may hurt some teams. I agree it should be mandatory.

[catsfan072]

I think the drug testing is a good idea, but if they are doing it to sports, then they should do it to everyone in the school.

[Patton19]

The Schools basketball team boosters should collect money to drug test their team.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

"The school search we approved in T. L. O., while not based on probable cause, was based on individualized suspicion of wrongdoing."

Sounds like they suspected something.....

"Meaning that when students are at school, the school has the same controls as a parent."

Sorry, but nope, when students are at school, the school does NOT have the same control as a parent. A parent can spank there children if they desire, let a school try it and see how much trouble they can get in... Teachers and Principals do NOT have the same control as a parent.

And as far as parents that pick there kids up from school... I guess it would be ok for them to be using or dealing as long as they dont do it on school grounds. It is ok for them to be messed up when they drive on school grounds i guess.

[thetribe]

"The school search we approved in T. L. O., while not based on probable cause, was based on individualized suspicion of wrongdoing."

Sounds like they suspected something.....

"Meaning that when students are at school, the school has the same controls as a parent."

Sorry, but nope, when students are at school, the school does NOT have the same control as a parent. A parent can spank there children if they desire, let a school try it and see how much trouble they can get in... Teachers and Principals do NOT have the same control as a parent.

And as far as parents that pick there kids up from school... I guess it would be ok for them to be using or dealing as long as they dont do it on school grounds. It is ok for them to be messed up when they drive on school grounds i guess.

Schools can spank children...they can, and do....
There has to be a permission slip sent home one time and if a parent or guardian signs it then it is perfectly okay for the child to be paddled instead of spending a day in in-school suspension, SAFE, Excel, whatever the school may call it.

[take it to em 22]

i heard it will be like a month from the 15th before the first test is done

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Schools can spank children...they can, and do....
There has to be a permission slip sent home one time and if a parent or guardian signs it then it is perfectly okay for the child to be paddled instead of spending a day in in-school suspension, SAFE, Excel, whatever the school may call it.

I know they can with a permission slip. Beef said that when children are in school, they have control over them the same as parents. Parents dont have to call the school or get a permission note to spank there children. Teachers and principals do have some control over them. But no where at the same level that parents do. I still think it is basically wrong. How would the average adult say if the goverment passed a rule saying 60% of the people who drive red cars or trucks are open for a search of there homes for stuff just because they like red? Like it was said earlier, if they have nothing to hide, then would they mind? I bet they would....

[blackcatfan_48]

i think that it is a good idea to drug test ball players

[Tiger12]

Is the 58th district the only ditrict getting this policy?

[WOW]

This is a Floyd County School Policy.

[BlackcatAlum]

There doing testing within a week @ Prestonburg High school and there doing the athletes and the Student Drivers. My nephew got a paper at clark yesterday as well because he plays football for the B-team at adams !

[BasketBallonlyfan]

at pikeville, every person who does the extra stuff at school gets tested. not just the 60% but everyone.

[hacyco]

Yea, I lost friends to drug use too... but there needs to be a line somewhere as to when we stop giving up parts of our freedom. I mean, this year, may be the searching for drugs, next year, who knows, you might have to sign some kind of paper saying parents cant communicate with the coaching staff or something in order for kids to compete. There hasnt been a plan yet that people have come up with that is perfect. But when someone mentions different ideas, then they get all the crap from it.

As far as the drug testing goes, it is 60% of the people who do extras in the school such as band, choir, sports, and stuff like that... 60% of the students who drive to school. What about 60% of the parents who come on school grounds to pick there kids up when school is out? Isnt there more of a chance they could be using at home then come there messed up? What about 60% of the people who dont drive and dont play sports, are they exempt from it? Is 60% of the people in the board office going to be tested including the superentendents and such?

I couldn't agree more. I would think that kids not taking part in extra activites should be tested first.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

LOL, thank you hayco, I didnt think anyone in here would agree with me on my posts.

[crazytaxidriver]

Ya know at the beginning of every school year, well while i was in school, you have to give so much money for school insurance and stuff like that.. If you didn't then you couldn't go to school.. I think students from the 7th grade up should have to take a drug test before being let in school, and agree to having to take one if the random thing should pop up..

I dont' know many people on here, and i probably won't get to meet many of ya.. So i am goin to say this.. When i was in school, I got hooked on drugs, and i got hooked pretty bad. But i was a good kid and still did pretty good in class. I was one of those people that wouldn't have been accused of doing anything.. People say you can always point out the users from the non-users, well let me say this.. That is BS.. I know people who are using, who people wouldn't dream in a million years do anything.
I've been through detox, and been in rehab centers.. and now I am clean.. But it wasn't easy, but that's another thread..

The point is this.. Drugs and other illegal substances are everywhere, they are in the schools that you send your kids to.. Your children probably know people or have seen people use. But they probably won't tell you.. The few people in this state and country that have never used drugs probable couldn't tell a user froma non user unless it was point blank..

So when people say test 60% of the kids or whatever, well i say they are being cheap. Tests cost quite a bit of money. But i say test everyone, because you aren't goin to get all of them anyway, but you will get a better idea of how many kids out there are really using drugs.. and let me tell ya.. the number would shock most people.

[thetribe]

Good post CTD.

[Doc Holliday]

Great post CTD

BBAll fan only
Tell me this what is your point do want all tested or none.
Yes Pikeville test all students but you are talking about 900 students total to floyd co. 5000 plus so floyd co will be testing many more, and I agree think all should be tested but i think that most peopl you talk to students parent etc say that ball player get away with everything at school that they are treated different well guess what they tend to be. They represent their community and are held to higher standards. they are looked up to you know they are and so do I.

As far a testing parents if we had cops doing a breathalizer on many fans at games Im sure they would be in trouble but a adult is an adult and a child is not. they are old enough to know what is legal and what is not.
I guess my question is if you were in charge of a county school system and a parent came to you and said I saw a couple of your students at a local drug dealers picking some pills what would you do?

[Patton19]

this test will show who reallly deserves to play

[thetribe]

I've been at school for only a few hours and already ALOT of people have been tested.
They are randomly drug testing ALL day.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Yes, that is what I have been saying. People who do the sports/band/cheerleaders, ect shouldnt be singled out for the testing. If they are going to check some, without having reasonable cause to think they are using, they should check the whole student body. Along with all the teachers, board members, superentendents, and anyone else working for the school system.

Yes, I do know that student/athletes represent there school and are more in the public eye. But if someone is out doing stuff and wearing a school sweatshirt or jacket, the people who see them out sees them as a representive of the school even if it is at wal mart. Peoples actions and appearance is what people see when they are out in public. For example, if you seen lets say a young man that appeared to be 15-16 years old drinking on a Saturday night wearing a East Ridge sweatshirt. You would compare the kids drinking and assume they went to East Ridge. So actually, a person would assume they went there, so they are being representitives of the school also.

[crazytaxidriver]

Yes, that is what I have been saying. People who do the sports/band/cheerleaders, ect shouldnt be singled out for the testing. If they are going to check some, without having reasonable cause to think they are using, they should check the whole student body. Along with all the teachers, board members, superentendents, and anyone else working for the school system.

Yes, I do know that student/athletes represent there school and are more in the public eye. But if someone is out doing stuff and wearing a school sweatshirt or jacket, the people who see them out sees them as a representive of the school even if it is at wal mart. Peoples actions and appearance is what people see when they are out in public. For example, if you seen lets say a young man that appeared to be 15-16 years old drinking on a Saturday night wearing a East Ridge sweatshirt. You would compare the kids drinking and assume they went to East Ridge. So actually, a person would assume they went there, so they are being representitives of the school also.

I agree..

[Webster]

I think its a good rule!

[Doc Holliday]

Floyd co is going to test Board members 100% of central office, Super as well as 100 of adminisitration etc. 100% of bus drivers as well. and a volunteer pool has been created which means any PARENT who wishs that there child be tested will be tested.
This pool is made up of non xtra curricular activity students.

I really don't see what the problem is if you don't like it move your kid to a system that doesnt test. Or run for office and say I want to take drug testing out of schools as your platfrom Im sure several dealers will back your campaign

[Amun-Ra]

i am all for and wish testing would have been done when i was in high school.
everyoe should get tested. and it should be a surprise. no warning. and happen at least 3 times a year.
if u test positive then you should get searched, your car should get searched.

i dont understand why people are against this........what is the big deal. got something to hide? i mean this in no way infringes on anyone's rights. people complain about drugs and stuff but when someone tries to take action all you hear is bitchin.