[Matman]

Words and ideas are rhetoric. You should try them. Strive to divide? Obama is like Hitler is like Mao? Obama is the most clueless President ever? Obama is a lyin' African? As Paul Simon said, "Who do, who do, who do you think you're foolin'? Come on, Man.

What are you talking about now. I have never said any of that. I should try words and ideas? You should try action. I have ideas. I have also done more humanitarian missions than you could ever imagine. Yes you devide. Again you quoted someone elses mistakes to make your mistakes right. Two wrongs do not make a right. Again how am i trying to fool anyone. I never said any of the questions you posted.

[Mr.Kimball]

Matman, you've read enough posts coming from CM by now that you should know that 9 out of 10 are typical of this one. This stuff just comes from out of the blue, goes round and round in circles, and has no apparent meaning regarding anything what so ever. You just sit there scratching your head wondering what exactly is this moron going on about now. I guess I had fun trading insults for awhile, but you get to point when it becomes very apparent that this educated fool really believes some of this junk he comes up with. It's scary that we have people like this walking about our streets unrestricted, but I guess they're everywhere. I know there are people that have a more liberal way of thinking than a lot of us, and that's OK. I honestly dont have a problem with that. What makes this site fun is to be able to trade jabs and in the end still be civil, but this cat is truely way out there.

[thecavemaster]

Matman, you've read enough posts coming from CM by now that you should know that 9 out of 10 are typical of this one. This stuff just comes from out of the blue, goes round and round in circles, and has no apparent meaning regarding anything what so ever. You just sit there scratching your head wondering what exactly is this moron going on about now. I guess I had fun trading insults for awhile, but you get to point when it becomes very apparent that this educated fool really believes some of this junk he comes up with. It's scary that we have people like this walking about our streets unrestricted, but I guess they're everywhere. I know there are people that have a more liberal way of thinking than a lot of us, and that's OK. I honestly dont have a problem with that. What makes this site fun is to be able to trade jabs and in the end still be civil, but this cat is truely way out there.

The point was that Bob Gibbs is no different than any other Press Secretary, but, somehow, gets labeled "Baghdad Bob." Thus, it isn't that "two wrongs make a right." It's that the same "wrongs" (if you call business as usual that) get assessed differently. "It's scary that we have... blah, blah, blah..." Now, there's some nativistic paranoia right there.

[Matman]

The point was that Bob Gibbs is no different than any other Press Secretary, but, somehow, gets labeled "Baghdad Bob." Thus, it isn't that "two wrongs make a right." It's that the same "wrongs" (if you call business as usual that) get assessed differently. "It's scary that we have... blah, blah, blah..." Now, there's some nativistic paranoia right there.

Thats because you assume just because someone does not support Gibbs and Obama then they must have supported Bush. Thats not true. Some of us are sick of politics in this country and want reform. I liked some of Obama's campaign promises but soon realized he didn't have a plan. He was just saying things to get elected. Couple that with extreme spending of democrats and I can not support him. Are you not disappointed? He hasn't withdrew troops(which I'm glad), he is passing bills with as much pork as ever, and we are still giving money to big companies.

[thecavemaster]

Thats because you assume just because someone does not support Gibbs and Obama then they must have supported Bush. Thats not true. Some of us are sick of politics in this country and want reform. I liked some of Obama's campaign promises but soon realized he didn't have a plan. He was just saying things to get elected. Couple that with extreme spending of democrats and I can not support him. Are you not disappointed? He hasn't withdrew troops(which I'm glad), he is passing bills with as much pork as ever, and we are still giving money to big companies.

The President does not pass bills. The line item veto does not exist, thus Presidents are most often in the place of having to accept B, C, and D in order to get agenda item A through. Obama took office in the midst of an economic free fall. I don't judge a new coach on one year... I don't assess a President on a little over 12 months...unless my PARTISAN BIAS predisposes in the negative direction... enter the Right Wing Flirty Party.

[Matman]

The President does not pass bills. The line item veto does not exist, thus Presidents are most often in the place of having to accept B, C, and D in order to get agenda item A through. Obama took office in the midst of an economic free fall. I don't judge a new coach on one year... I don't assess a President on a little over 12 months...unless my PARTISAN BIAS predisposes in the negative direction... enter the Right Wing Flirty Party.

He could have stopped the bills and stood by his promise. Take out the pork! Our President is not a coach and this is not football. Most people give coaches a chance to get their recruits in there and their system in place. As President you do not have that much time. 4 years and you could be out. Some of the great Presidents of the past changed the world in their first year.

[Matman]

The President does not pass bills. The line item veto does not exist, thus Presidents are most often in the place of having to accept B, C, and D in order to get agenda item A through. Obama took office in the midst of an economic free fall. I don't judge a new coach on one year... I don't assess a President on a little over 12 months...unless my PARTISAN BIAS predisposes in the negative direction... enter the Right Wing Flirty Party.

Your last sentence shouldn't even be in the debate. Its rhetoric and an attempt to devide.

[thecavemaster]

Your last sentence shouldn't even be in the debate. Its rhetoric and an attempt to devide.

Do you actually follow the debate here? Right Wing Flirty Party grabs your attention as somehow particularly divisive?

[Matman]

Do you actually follow the debate here? Right Wing Flirty Party grabs your attention as somehow particularly divisive?

Yes i do follow the debate. Maybe your not as educated as you act. Your last sentence and your use of the phrase discredits your arguement. It shows you inability to look outside your party's lines. It shows your bias. You also use it to seperate yourself. You can throw in phrases that seperate you from the majority. That allows you to lose a debate and still declare victory due to the fact that everyone is against you. You make it look as though their the ones being closed minded when in fact it you with the blinders on.

[thecavemaster]

Yes i do follow the debate. Maybe your not as educated as you act. Your last sentence and your use of the phrase discredits your arguement. It shows you inability to look outside your party's lines. It shows your bias. You also use it to seperate yourself. You can throw in phrases that seperate you from the majority. That allows you to lose a debate and still declare victory due to the fact that everyone is against you. You make it look as though their the ones being closed minded when in fact it you with the blinders on.

Obama = Hitler (Right Wing Flirty Party) Obama = Communist Manifesto (Right Wing Flirty Party) Now, belief that giving tax credits and other "incentives" to the uber rich is beneficial to society as a whole... (debateable principle) In other words, I'm not really going to debate the Obama = Hitler stuff, but rather respond in the fasion it merits: "Right Wing Flirty Party." You think it's about "losing" and "winning" on a BGR forum? People, real ones, shouldn't go into financial ruin because they get sick. People, real ones, shouldn't suffer needlessly or die prematurely because they lack decent and affordable medical care. I tend to think human history suggests that avarice ends up with supply side economics making the rich richer and the poor poorer, with the middle squeezed. Comprende, compadre?

[Matman]

Obama = Hitler (Right Wing Flirty Party) Obama = Communist Manifesto (Right Wing Flirty Party) Now, belief that giving tax credits and other "incentives" to the uber rich is beneficial to society as a whole... (debateable principle) In other words, I'm not really going to debate the Obama = Hitler stuff, but rather respond in the fasion it merits: "Right Wing Flirty Party." You think it's about "losing" and "winning" on a BGR forum? People, real ones, shouldn't go into financial ruin because they get sick. People, real ones, shouldn't suffer needlessly or die prematurely because they lack decent and affordable medical care. I tend to think human history suggests that avarice ends up with supply side economics making the rich richer and the poor poorer, with the middle squeezed. Comprende, compadre?

There you go again. Trying to tie me to a group of people who has said Obama is a communist and a new Hitler. However that has no place in this debate. You can not radicalize me in order to make a point. You are definately not an educated person. You just try to fake it on here. What is the point of your last sentence now. It doesn't have a place either. You must here voices or be paranoid. I'm not sure what your deal is. However I doubt you do anything to improve the problems you listed. By the way, how do economics make the rich richer. Different types of economies do make the rich richer. But not all. You should know that. If you are the least bit educated you would know Marx said that about capitalism. It lets the rich take advantage of the poor. He addresses it in the Communist Manifesto. However we are a mixed economy.

[thecavemaster]

There you go again. Trying to tie me to a group of people who has said Obama is a communist and a new Hitler. However that has no place in this debate. You can not radicalize me in order to make a point. You are definately not an educated person. You just try to fake it on here. What is the point of your last sentence now. It doesn't have a place either. You must here voices or be paranoid. I'm not sure what your deal is. However I doubt you do anything to improve the problems you listed. By the way, how do economics make the rich richer. Different types of economies do make the rich richer. But not all. You should know that. If you are the least bit educated you would know Marx said that about capitalism. It lets the rich take advantage of the poor. He addresses it in the Communist Manifesto. However we are a mixed economy.

I didn't know, "Do you understand, my friend" was inflammatory. Again, I wasn't labeling you. I am suggesting that if folks says Obama is Marx is Lenin is Hitler is Mao, then I am treating that as Oxford Style debate and responding in kind. As for supply side economics, "trickle down," resulting in the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer, and the middle getting squeezed, that's a debating point on BGR and has been. You shouldn't assume, compadre.

[Matman]

I didn't know, "Do you understand, my friend" was inflammatory. Again, I wasn't labeling you. I am suggesting that if folks says Obama is Marx is Lenin is Hitler is Mao, then I am treating that as Oxford Style debate and responding in kind. As for supply side economics, "trickle down," resulting in the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer, and the middle getting squeezed, that's a debating point on BGR and has been. You shouldn't assume, compadre.

I didn't assume anything. How many different economies have you experienced? How many countries have you lived in? I have been on this forum for quite a while. Maybe since its been created. You do not have to tell me what the debating points have been. You brought the comparison of Obama to communist leaders. You seem to try to polarize the debate. By doing so you isolate yourself. I wouldn't even put Marx in the same category as Lenin, Hitler and Mao. Marx grew up in a time when the free market was worse than it is now. He was a philosopher whos ideas were used by communist.

[Mr.Kimball]

Yes i do follow the debate. Maybe your not as educated as you act. Your last sentence and your use of the phrase discredits your arguement. It shows you inability to look outside your party's lines. It shows your bias. You also use it to seperate yourself. You can throw in phrases that seperate you from the majority. That allows you to lose a debate and still declare victory due to the fact that everyone is against you. You make it look as though their the ones being closed minded when in fact it you with the blinders on.

LOL!!!Naw,it's like I told you the other day, he's just plain and simply a nut!!!

Just read his comments on financial matters from yesterday and you'll see just how dumb and clueless he really is. But aint his "vocabulary barrages" always a blast. They dont mean a darn thing, but I guess he thinks they can camoflauge his ignorance. My little 13 year old grass mowing entreprenuer has a better grasp and understanding of basic economics than this weirdo.

[thecavemaster]

I didn't assume anything. How many different economies have you experienced? How many countries have you lived in? I have been on this forum for quite a while. Maybe since its been created. You do not have to tell me what the debating points have been. You brought the comparison of Obama to communist leaders. You seem to try to polarize the debate. By doing so you isolate yourself. I wouldn't even put Marx in the same category as Lenin, Hitler and Mao. Marx grew up in a time when the free market was worse than it is now. He was a philosopher whos ideas were used by communist.

I brought the comparison of Obama to communist leaders? I try to polarize the debate? You jest, right?

[thecavemaster]

LOL!!!Naw,it's like I told you the other day, he's just plain and simply a nut!!!

Just read his comments on financial matters from yesterday and you'll see just how dumb and clueless he really is. But aint his "vocabulary barrages" always a blast. They dont mean a darn thing, but I guess he thinks they can camoflauge his ignorance. My little 13 year old grass mowing entreprenuer has a better grasp and understanding of basic economics than this weirdo.

Hugs and kisses, Kemba...hugs and kisses.

[Matman]

I brought the comparison of Obama to communist leaders? I try to polarize the debate? You jest, right?

You brought it into this debate. Yes you polarize the debate. You isolate yourself from the moderates and the conservatives. I think they might be right about you. You might be a "nut".

[Mr.Kimball]

Hugs and kisses, Kemba...hugs and kisses.

Back at cha Babe!!!!!!:Thumbs:

[Mr.Kimball]

[quote=Matman]You brought it into this debate. Yes you polarize the debate. You isolate yourself from the moderates and the conservatives. I think they might be right about you. You might be a "nut".[/QUOTE]

"Might" leaves open the slight possibility that it could be questionable. Not a chance!!!!

[thecavemaster]

You brought it into this debate. Yes you polarize the debate. You isolate yourself from the moderates and the conservatives. I think they might be right about you. You might be a "nut".

Let's be clear: I did not first do the whole Maobama, "Obama is a socialist like Hitler in pre-war Germany" thing...that's a clear distortion. Obama = Mao... yet I brought polarization into the debate? What would be "right" about you, Matman? Your political leanings? I answered other posters, the Right Wing Flirty Party. To you, perhaps that is "nutty." To me, it's Oxford Style debate, responding in kind. So be it.

[thecavemaster]

[quote=Matman]You brought it into this debate. Yes you polarize the debate. You isolate yourself from the moderates and the conservatives. I think they might be right about you. You might be a "nut".[/QUOTE]

"Might" leaves open the slight possibility that it could be questionable. Not a chance!!!!

Well, I don't have priority privileges in the Right Wing Flirty Party...

[Mr.Kimball]

[quote=Mr.Kimball]

Well, I don't have priority privileges in the Right Wing Flirty Party...

Ah, but dont be too discouraged. I would say your sittin pretty high, and in good standing in the Left Wing Fart Party.

[thecavemaster]

[quote=thecavemaster]

Ah, but dont be too discouraged. I would say your sittin pretty high, and in good standing in the Left Wing Fart Party.

Discouraged? Me? Nah... but, you know, I may be gettin' soft because, dang, if I don't find your concern mighty touchin'.

[Mr.Kimball]

[quote=Mr.Kimball]

Discouraged? Me? Nah... but, you know, I may be gettin' soft because, dang, if I don't find your concern mighty touchin'.

Hey, that's what friends do, ya know!!

[Matman]

Let's be clear: I did not first do the whole Maobama, "Obama is a socialist like Hitler in pre-war Germany" thing...that's a clear distortion. Obama = Mao... yet I brought polarization into the debate? What would be "right" about you, Matman? Your political leanings? I answered other posters, the Right Wing Flirty Party. To you, perhaps that is "nutty." To me, it's Oxford Style debate, responding in kind. So be it.

There is nothing about you that is clear. And yes you brought it into this debate. You brought light to it. You mentioned it. However you want to put it. You polarized the debate. You are nothing special. I experience people as dilusional as yourself quite often. They are usually behind bars. Its the same guys you give a dictionary to and they misuse about 15 new words a day. So what do you do for a living. I can't imagine you contributing much to society.

[thecavemaster]

There is nothing about you that is clear. And yes you brought it into this debate. You brought light to it. You mentioned it. However you want to put it. You polarized the debate. You are nothing special. I experience people as dilusional as yourself quite often. They are usually behind bars. Its the same guys you give a dictionary to and they misuse about 15 new words a day. So what do you do for a living. I can't imagine you contributing much to society.

The only thing delusional is that you are suggesting that by defending Obama against the whole "Maobama" thing that I somehow brought it into the debate. That's ridiculous. Now, you are commenting on my "specialness" and suggesting I may be in prison and that, basically, I'm a worthless piece of crap? And I'm supposed to justify myself to you? Please.

[Mr.Kimball]

There is nothing about you that is clear. And yes you brought it into this debate. You brought light to it. You mentioned it. However you want to put it. You polarized the debate. You are nothing special. I experience people as dilusional as yourself quite often. They are usually behind bars. Its the same guys you give a dictionary to and they misuse about 15 new words a day. So what do you do for a living. I can't imagine you contributing much to society.

That's pretty much common with those among the CM persuation though, isn't it matman? You know "take", while "give" nothing.

[Mr.Kimball]

The only thing delusional is that you are suggesting that by defending Obama against the whole "Maobama" thing that I somehow brought it into the debate. That's ridiculous. Now, you are commenting on my "specialness" and suggesting I may be in prison and that, basically, I'm a worthless piece of crap? And I'm supposed to justify myself to you? Please.

lol

[thecavemaster]

That's pretty much common with those among the CM persuation though, isn't it matman? You know "take", while "give" nothing.

It's what you give, Kemba, that's troublesome... or maybe what you expect in return...

[Mr.Kimball]

It's what you give, Kemba, that's troublesome... or maybe what you expect in return...

What exactly is your profession and what do you contribute to our society, CM? Perhaps we could all understand and appreciate where you are coming from, when you give your opinions. Perhaps we just need to understand you better.