[Stardust]

Is this the same Highlands team that so good that lost to Newport by 22 points.

Yep, the exact same HHS team, with the exception of the three players that didn't play in the Newport game! Your point is What?

[tezzy859]

And the hate keeps coming from EKY. This is truely becoming more and more comical as we go along. SV posters keep coming in here trying to discredit Holmes as a top team. What has SV accomplished to be considered with the likes of Holmes, J-Town, Scott Co., and Ballard. You played one top 20 team and got beat at your place ( by a team Holmes beat). You have no history against the state's best teams. But yet some of the SV posters run around this board demanding respect for SV. While trying to discredit other teams. Loose the small man (small school) complex and prove it at Rupp like the team above have. Be careful what you wish for because you might just get it. On a Saturday night at Rupp.

[kywldcat01]

So this is the game kywildcat01 says Holmes "dominated"? Looks like an 11 point win.

Actually, Holmes was up 16 with less than three minutes to go. They had a few possessions in a row where they got fouled and only made 1 of 2 and that allowed Highlands to make it an 11 point game.

Again, don't comment on a game that you know nothing about because you weren't there. Holmes led by as many as 18 and held a double digit lead practically the whole game.

Is this the same Highlands team that so good that lost to Newport by 22 points.

Same with you...you obviously lack knowledge when it comes to nky 9th region basketball so why even make a comment like this? If you knew anything about that game, you'd know that Highlands played without their 3 leading scorers in that game...Stephen Kowolonek, Tyler Grubbs, and George Grote.

Take away any teams 3 best players and yea, they're gonna get taken behind the woodshed. They were healthy the next game against a very good Newcath team though and won by 14.'

This is however the same team that beat EKY's 2nd best team, Perry Co Central, despite being short handed. hh:

[Benchwarmer]

Yep, the exact same HHS team, with the exception of the three players that didn't play in the Newport game! Your point is What?

Who didn't have three players?

[kywldcat01]

And the hate keeps coming from EKY. This is truely becoming more and more comical as we go along. SV posters keep coming in here trying to discredit Holmes as a top team. What has SV accomplished to be considered with the likes of Holmes, J-Town, Scott Co., and Ballard. You played one top 20 team and got beat at your place ( by a team Holmes beat). You have no history against the state's best teams. But yet some of the SV posters run around this board demanding respect for SV. While trying to discredit other teams. Loose the small man (small school) complex and prove it at Rupp like the team above have. Be careful what you wish for because you might just get it. On a Saturday night at Rupp.

:Thumbs:

Let them keep hating...Elliott Co fans did the same thing last year and said a lot of the same things as some of these overzealous SV fans and we all remember how that ended up. :flame:

The last two "EKY Powers" (Elliott Co 09 & Paintsville 08) that have came a calling on the Dogs got sent right back to the mountains with a big L and had their season ended.

[PC_You_Know]

Actually, Holmes was up 16 with less than three minutes to go. They had a few possessions in a row where they got fouled and only made 1 of 2 and that allowed Highlands to make it an 11 point game.

Again, don't comment on a game that you know nothing about because you weren't there. Holmes led by as many as 18 and held a double digit lead practically the whole game.



Same with you...you obviously lack knowledge when it comes to nky 9th region basketball so why even make a comment like this? If you knew anything about that game, you'd know that Highlands played without their 3 leading scorers in that game...Stephen Kowolonek, Tyler Grubbs, and George Grote.

Take away any teams 3 best players and yea, they're gonna get taken behind the woodshed. They were healthy the next game against a very good Newcath team though and won by 14.'

This is however the same team that beat EKY's 2nd best team, Perry Co Central, despite being short handed. hh:

The lead never got to 20 and you call it "domination"?

Sounds like Highlands makes just a few more shots and they're right in the game.

I'm not commenting on the game itself at all, just the final score, which doesn't reflect a game that was "dominated".

[kywldcat01]

[B]

Who didn't have three players?

Highlands was without Stephen Kowolonek (14 ppg), Tyler Grubbs (8 ppg), and George Grote (8 ppg) that game. When you're without 30 points of your regular production, you're going to lose to a team of Newport's caliber...regardless of who you are.

Again, get your facts straight before you get on here making comments that you have no clue about.

[Stardust]

The lead never got to 20 and you call it "domination"?

Sounds like Highlands makes just a few more shots and they're right in the game.

I'm not commenting on the game itself at all, just the final score, which doesn't reflect a game that was "dominated".

You are a very astute sports fan, you and I both know that final scores don't dictate domination. Final scores don't tell the story withing the game. You don't have to beat a bad team by 40 to be considered dominate? I'll take a game against quality competition as a guage any day.

[Benchwarmer]

Actually, Holmes was up 16 with less than three minutes to go. They had a few possessions in a row where they got fouled and only made 1 of 2 and that allowed Highlands to make it an 11 point game.

Again, don't comment on a game that you know nothing about because you weren't there. Holmes led by as many as 18 and held a double digit lead practically the whole game.



Same with you...you obviously lack knowledge when it comes to nky 9th region basketball so why even make a comment like this? If you knew anything about that game, you'd know that Highlands played without their 3 leading scorers in that game...Stephen Kowolonek, Tyler Grubbs, and George Grote.

Take away any teams 3 best players and yea, they're gonna get taken behind the woodshed. They were healthy the next game against a very good Newcath team though and won by 14.'

This is however the same team that beat EKY's 2nd best team, Perry Co Central, despite being short handed. hh:

So Highland didn't play this game?

Shows you how much you know about EKY basketball so why even make a comment like this. PCC is not the second third or even fourth best team in the mountains.

[Stardust]

WYMT Mountain Top 10 (Feb. 1)
1. Shelby Valley
2. Corbin
3. Perry Central
4. Knott Central
5. Hazard
6. South Laurel
7. Breathitt County
8. Clay County
9. Pikeville
10. Lawrence County

Maybe they dropped because of the loss to HHS?

[kywldcat01]

The lead never got to 20 and you call it "domination"?

Sounds like Highlands makes just a few more shots and they're right in the game.

I'm not commenting on the game itself at all, just the final score, which doesn't reflect a game that was "dominated".

And again, you weren't there so you have no idea whether or not Holmes dominated. You can't judge a game on a final score alone. Holmes killed Highlands on the boards and held a 15 point lead for the majority of the game.

Here's a comment from today's paper on the game:

The defending state champions made a case that the in-region loss (to Ryle) was an isolated incident. And if Friday’s 69-58 win at Highlands was any indication, area coaches who thought they’d found a blueprint to beating the Bulldogs might want to go back to the chalkboard.

[DortonWildcat5]

You are a very astute sports fan, you and I both know that final scores don't dictate domination. Final scores don't tell the story withing the game. You don't have to beat a bad team by 40 to be considered dominate? I'll take a game against quality competition as a guage any day.

Agreed. The score doesn't always tell the story of how the game went. My only assertion is that you cannot comment in these threads w/o being told you are wrong.

[kywldcat01]

So Highland didn't play this game?

Shows you how much you know about EKY basketball so why even make a comment like this. PCC is not the second third or even fourth best team in the mountains.

Highlands did play that game...but they played without their 3 leading scorers who were all out with injuries.

Take away Justice, Hatfield, and either Newsome and they'd get beat by 30 by Newport. That's the point I'm trying to make. Highlands got blown out because they played without their 3 big guns.

Oh and PCC was actually ranked #2 in the mountains when they lost to a short handed Highlands team that got beat by Newport by 22. PCC is currently #3 in the mountains. hh:

[Stardust]

Agreed. The score doesn't always tell the story of how the game went. My only assertion is that you cannot comment in these threads w/o being told you are wrong.

I think sometimes it get's personal, and that is really not needed. This year it seems to be a constant debate with Holmes/SV. It has taken the place of last years verbal wars of SV & EC from last year, but you have to admit, this year is tame in comparison to last years catfights.

[kywldcat01]

I think sometimes it get's personal, and that is really not needed. This year it seems to be a constant debate with Holmes/SV. It has taken the place of last years verbal wars of SV & EC from last year, but you have to admit, this year is tame in comparison to last years catfights.

Agreed. Those debates got outta hand at time.

This debate is also similar to the Holmes/Elliott Co debates on "another site" last year. We all know how that ended up though when it came time to "put up or shut up." :1:

[DortonWildcat5]

And the hate keeps coming from EKY. This is truely becoming more and more comical as we go along. SV posters keep coming in here trying to discredit Holmes as a top team. What has SV accomplished to be considered with the likes of Holmes, J-Town, Scott Co., and Ballard. You played one top 20 team and got beat at your place ( by a team Holmes beat). You have no history against the state's best teams. But yet some of the SV posters run around this board demanding respect for SV. While trying to discredit other teams. Loose the small man (small school) complex and prove it at Rupp like the team above have. Be careful what you wish for because you might just get it. On a Saturday night at Rupp.

I can't remember any SV fan or EKY fan making any comments about SV being better than Holmes or having a real good chance to beat them. I know that Holmes is a state contender and I respect their program very much. There is a lot more hate coming toward this end than from it. The 15th got a great draw for the state tournament, but I know that they could easily lose in the 1st or 2nd round if they don't bring their "A" game. If SV makes it, they can't just show up and expect to win.

[DortonWildcat5]

I think sometimes it get's personal, and that is really not needed. This year it seems to be a constant debate with Holmes/SV. It has taken the place of last years verbal wars of SV & EC from last year, but you have to admit, this year is tame in comparison to last years catfights.

I can definitely agree with that. It has gotten to where I (as an SV fan) can't ask a question about a Holmes game w/o getting negativity toward SV's team. I don't ever remember making any negative comments toward Holmes in order to try to make SV look any better. You, like I, have wondered at times why this Holmes team has struggled at times with lesser teams. Like I said in the rankings thread, something has to be missing (leadership, desire, point play, etc.) for them not to be as consistent as many expected. Maybe they've gotten it together now. Next week will tell alot.

[Stardust]

I can't remember any SV fan or EKY fan making any comments about SV being better than Holmes or having much of a chance to beat them. I know that Holmes is a state contender and I respect their program very much. There is a lot more hate coming toward this end than from it.

I'm not taking up for either side, but from monitoring it, it started when this site got so many Holmes backers posting that some of the bombs did start from the EKY end. From the posts, I'm pretty confident that it was students that starting the negative comments about Homes. Then the ripping started.

As long as the chiding is civil, I really don't mind it. I hate the Steelers, and have no issue with telling Steeler fan that I hate their team. When it comes to HS ball, we have to remember that this is about HS players, not the fans.

[Stardust]

I can definitely agree with that. It has gotten to where I (as a SV fan) can't ask a question about a Holmes game w/o getting negativity toward SV's team. I don't ever remember making any negative comments toward Holmes in order to try to make SV look any better. You, like I, have wondered at times why this Holmes team has struggled at times with lesser teams. Like I said in the rankings thread, something has to be missing (leadership, desier, point play, etc.) for them not to be as consistent as many expected.

I don't like their leadership. I know my NKY counterparts will disagree with me, but I have said many times that there is not a true team leader on this squad that is the "Coach on the Floor". This team can play very selfish and can easily get lost on assignments. They have rolled through December and January over the last two years on Cruise Control, and that is very dangerous. I really expected this team this year to have more leadership from Pittman and Rico. I thought Avery could come in and give them that balance, but he really never developed into that guy, mostly due to injury. I still think they are the most gifted team in the state and if they play to their potential, they should find themselves back into the championship for a 3rd straight year.

[DortonWildcat5]

I'm not taking up for either side, but from monitoring it, it started when this site got so many Holmes backers posting that some of the bombs did start from the EKY end. From the posts, I'm pretty confident that it was students that starting the negative comments about Homes. Then the ripping started.

As long as the chiding is civil, I really don't mind it. I hate the Steelers, and have no issue with telling Steeler fan that I hate their team. When it comes to HS ball, we have to remember that this is about HS players, not the fans.

Much of it started with others attacking EKY teams, but they've got to realize that this site has more of an EKY fanbase so naturally there is going to be more discussion about the EKY teams. I'm glad the site has grown, but that doesn't mean that everyone who post about their team from EKY is wrong. Plus many of the "overzealous" fans that we continually read about are kids who don't always know how to use tact and good reason when posting.

[Stardust]

Much of it started with others attacking EKY teams, but they've got to realize that this site has more of an EKY fanbase so naturally there is going to be more discussion about the EKY teams. I'm glad the site has grown, but that doesn't mean that everyone who post about their team from EKY is wrong. Plus many of the "overzealous" fans that we continually read about are kids who don't always know how to use tact and good reason when posting.

:Thumbs:

[DortonWildcat5]

I don't like their leadership. I know my NKY counterparts will disagree with me, but I have said many times that there is not a true team leader on this squad that is the "Coach on the Floor". This team can play very selfish and can easily get lost on assignments. They have rolled through December and January over the last two years on Cruise Control, and that is very dangerous. I really expected this team this year to have more leadership from Pittman and Rico. I thought Avery could come in and give them that balance, but he really never developed into that guy, mostly due to injury. I still think they are the most gifted team in the state and if they play to their potential, they should find themselves back into the championship for a 3rd straight year.

I agree. That's why I said they have the most talent, but they don't always put it together on the floor. Cruising through parts of your schedule is a recipe for disaster come tournament time. Often teams feel like they can just turn it on when they want and that's where upsets are born.

[Stardust]

I agree. That's why I said they have the most talent, but they don't always put it together on the floor. Cruising through parts of your schedule is a recipe for disaster come tournament time. Often teams feel like they can just turn it on when they want and that's where upsets are born.

Agreed. They may have turned it around based on their last four games. They have a couple of decent games on the schedule that should tell whether or not that have truly put the foot on the pedal

[kywldcat01]

DortonWildcat and Stardust...in regards to the last few posts, I think Elijah Pittman and Coach Henley summed it up best when describing this team:

Holmes, which entered the season with four proven players, has developed a nice eight-man rotation that should serve it well in the postseason. “We’re a work in progress,” said Holmes coach David Henley.

Speaking of Henley, there was a nice little post-game meeting of the minds between Henley and Highlands coach Dale Mueller. While I was interviewing Henley about the how the team has rebounded since the Ryle lost, Mueller emerged from the gym. “(The loss) probably did bother them a little bit,” Henley said. ”But that’s something they’ve got to learn. You’ve got to come out every night. We’re not Highlands football. We’re not just going to show up and …” With that, Mueller cut him off, smiling and pointing to Henley. “Unclassified state champions,” he said.....

Said Holmes senior forward Elijah Pittman. “We were losing focus of who we are and what we want to be. We were looking at ourselves as last year’s state champions. It’s a new year.”

[DortonWildcat5]

DortonWildcat and Stardust...in regards to the last few posts, I think Elijah Pittman and Coach Henley summed it up best when describing this team:

Holmes, which entered the season with four proven players, has developed a nice eight-man rotation that should serve it well in the postseason. “We’re a work in progress,” said Holmes coach David Henley.

Speaking of Henley, there was a nice little post-game meeting of the minds between Henley and Highlands coach Dale Mueller. While I was interviewing Henley about the how the team has rebounded since the Ryle lost, Mueller emerged from the gym. “(The loss) probably did bother them a little bit,” Henley said. ”But that’s something they’ve got to learn. You’ve got to come out every night. We’re not Highlands football. We’re not just going to show up and …” With that, Mueller cut him off, smiling and pointing to Henley. “Unclassified state champions,” he said.....

Said Holmes senior forward Elijah Pittman. “We were losing focus of who we are and what we want to be. We were looking at ourselves as last year’s state champions. It’s a new year.”

Maybe they've gotten it together. Next week we'll be able to tell a little more.

[Stardust]

DortonWildcat and Stardust...in regards to the last few posts, I think Elijah Pittman and Coach Henley summed it up best when describing this team:

Holmes, which entered the season with four proven players, has developed a nice eight-man rotation that should serve it well in the postseason. “We’re a work in progress,” said Holmes coach David Henley.

Speaking of Henley, there was a nice little post-game meeting of the minds between Henley and Highlands coach Dale Mueller. While I was interviewing Henley about the how the team has rebounded since the Ryle lost, Mueller emerged from the gym. “(The loss) probably did bother them a little bit,” Henley said. ”But that’s something they’ve got to learn. You’ve got to come out every night. We’re not Highlands football. We’re not just going to show up and …” With that, Mueller cut him off, smiling and pointing to Henley. “Unclassified state champions,” he said.....

Said Holmes senior forward Elijah Pittman. “We were losing focus of who we are and what we want to be. We were looking at ourselves as last year’s state champions. It’s a new year.”

Pretty much what I have been saying all year.

[Benchwarmer]

WYMT Mountain Top 10 (Feb. 1)
1. Shelby Valley
2. Corbin
3. Perry Central
4. Knott Central
5. Hazard
6. South Laurel
7. Breathitt County
8. Clay County
9. Pikeville
10. Lawrence County

Maybe they dropped because of the loss to HHS?

These rankings mean what? Nothing. Clay beat Perry Central.

[Benchwarmer]

Much of it started with others attacking EKY teams, but they've got to realize that this site has more of an EKY fanbase so naturally there is going to be more discussion about the EKY teams. I'm glad the site has grown, but that doesn't mean that everyone who post about their team from EKY is wrong. Plus many of the "overzealous" fans that we continually read about are kids who don't always know how to use tact and good reason when posting.

You are correct. People saying that kids need to play out side of the mountains to see how good they are ore are not started most of it. Thats what ****ed me off.

[back_in_black]

Congrats Holmes

[Dawg 81]

:1:Lets be realistic ~ the big hype last year was Elliot County, how great they was, I watched them blowout a Louisville team who went to EC to play and I said they have not played a defense as good as Holmes. When Holmes played EC at the state, the score didn't reflect how bad Holmes really dominated them. EKY teams do not play the type of defense that NKY teams in general play, let alone the over whelming :flame: in your face defense the Dawgs play!!! :please: Not saying the boys from EKY can shoot, defense is not as good. defense def. wins games. I beleive until Holmes loses at the state Tour. they are CHAMPS
:please: